Tableau Templates: The Best implementation of templates in Tableau that I've seen!

0:00Building dashboards are one of the most

0:01time-consuming tasks in Tableau, so much so

0:03that Tableau started something called the

0:05Tableau Exchange to essentially give people

0:08accelerators, starting points connected to

0:10specific data sources just over a couple of

0:12years ago.

0:13However, I don't think they went far enough

0:15, because the other half of the most time-

0:17consuming thing in Tableau is actually

0:19dashboard designs and specifically layout.

0:22Everyone in the community has been asking

0:24for templates for some time, but the

0:25Exchange didn't really deliver that.

0:28Instead, Robert Januzik and Ludovic Tabern

0:30ir are taking that problem head on.

0:32In this video, I talk to them about Tableau

0:33templates, something they launched just

0:35last week, and in the conversation, it's

0:37over an hour and a half long.

0:39We essentially broke it down, and I have to

0:41say, going into this, I was a little bit

0:43skeptical, I was a little bit sort of not

0:45sure what to expect, and by the end of it,

0:47I was blown away.

0:48This is hands down the best implementation

0:50of templates anywhere on the planet, and

0:53pairing one of the world's best dashboard

0:55developers along with one of the best UI

0:57and UX capabilities in the Tableau

0:59community, this is something you have to

1:01check out.

1:02I've talked through the whole entire

1:03discussion in this video, we've got timest

1:05amps below as well, so go ahead and check

1:06those out, jump to the bits that you're

1:08most interested in, and trust me, if you

1:10watch the whole video, you'll come out of

1:11this, maybe with some questions you can ask

1:13them, but also some clarity about how

1:16detailed they've gone,

1:17even down to small, minute details that

1:19personally I look out for to tell me how

1:20good a dashboard is. They've covered it all

1:23, they've sorted it all, and they've thought

1:25about it all.

1:26Check out this video, thanks for watching,

1:28let's get stuck in.

1:29Yeah, so why don't we start with the two of

1:31you introducing yourselves, let people know

1:34who you are, what you've done with Tableau,

1:36and how you kind of got to the point where

1:38you are today.

1:39Yeah, I can start. So, my name is Robert

1:44Janizek, I am currently a UX/UI designer.

1:51Now currently that's, you know, working in

1:54Figma 90 plus percent of my day.

1:58Although that's what I'm doing now, that's

2:01not how I got here, so I used to be an

2:04analyst for years using Tableau daily to

2:07build dashboards reports like most people

2:10that are probably watching this.

2:14Right, so I did that for years and then

2:16when I transitioned to a new job there

2:19opened up an opportunity in the team where

2:22we needed to actually start designing an

2:24application, and I always wanted to go in

2:27the user interface direction anyways.

2:32So I took it upon myself to kind of

2:34transition my skills in my job from, you

2:38know, an analyst to a user interface

2:41designer so I took a year, two years to

2:44really hone those skills and, you know, it

2:48's been about three, four years since I made

2:52that transition.

2:55And that's kind of, you know, where I'm at

2:58now I'm still heavily involved in the BI

3:02community.

3:03But I think I have the unique perspective

3:06of doing both, where I was an analyst for

3:09years and I understand all the nuances of

3:12all the different, all the different BI

3:15products that are out there, what they can

3:17do, but also, I understand what it takes to

3:21design

3:21and build and release a product, you know,

3:24application and things like that.

3:28So mixing those two fields together really

3:31gives me a unique perspective on a lot of

3:34this and I think, I think that kind of

3:36shows in the products that we release.

3:40So I'm the founder of Nudge BI, which is

3:42really just marketing I put behind, you

3:46know, a suite of products, you would say so

3:49, the Tableau UI kit, the Power BI UI kit,

3:52and now Tableau templates, it's really just

3:56the marketing, branding behind it.

3:59Right.

4:00And so that's it for me, I think, you know,

4:03Ludovic, you can, you can hop in and.

4:07Thank you Robert. So my name is Ludovic

4:11Tavernier and currently I am an analytic

4:14engineer, business intelligence engineer at

4:18Ledger.

4:19And so before that, I have been in the data

4:22field for 12 years now, quite a long time,

4:26I would say.

4:28And I first used Tableau 12 years ago,

4:32doing an internship and then I kind of

4:36forgot about it.

4:39I was busy working on other data products,

4:43not only on the front end side, but also on

4:46the back end side, modeling data,

4:50transforming data with the tools I have at

4:52my disposal at this time.

4:56Oh, maybe you noticed, but I'm French.

5:00Yeah.

5:04And with Tableau, so things got more

5:07serious with Tableau, I think like eight

5:11years, seven years ago.

5:13So I got back to the tool, I participated

5:16to community challenges.

5:19It opened me gigs.

5:22I was a consultant back then, so it created

5:25opportunities to work with Tableau, of

5:29course.

5:30And I ended up doing so the biggest changes

5:35, the RMBs, I went to New Orleans and I

5:38participated to the event finally at New

5:41Orleans.

5:43And after that, I continued using Tableau.

5:51I did not spend so much time using other

5:52products, even except, yeah, I went freel

5:54ancing for four years.

5:56So I explored with the product at that time

5:58. But yes, mainly Tableau.

6:01And what is interesting, I think, is I kept

6:05my knowledge on modeling data, on

6:08understanding what is behind the product,

6:13in the back end of the data.

6:15And I think it enables me to create

6:17products that are robust and that my users

6:21can trust.

6:23But I think it's also a good match with

6:26Robert because I always have been

6:29interested in the front end and creating

6:34experiences, interfaces my users enjoy to

6:38use.

6:39Yeah, it's really important to me.

6:42How did the two of you meet? Because you've

6:44both got a bit of a history in the

6:45community as well.

6:47So, yeah. How did this sort of project come

6:50about and how did you first meet?

6:53Yeah, so a long time ago, not a long time

6:58ago, I would say maybe like 2016, 2017,

7:022018 timeframe.

7:04I was posting a lot of Tableau Public

7:07content, you know, work to Tableau Public

7:12and I was posting that on LinkedIn and

7:16Twitter.

7:18I'm sorry, formerly Twitter.

7:22And I think just, you know, I would see the

7:24things that Ludovic posted and I don't know

7:26, maybe he would see some of the things that

7:28I posted and we didn't interact a ton.

7:32I don't think. But I think in 2018, was

7:35that when New Orleans, was that the Tableau

7:38conference?

7:39Yeah.

7:40And so that was the year you were competing

7:43, right? That was the year you were

7:45competing in the IronBiz finals.

7:47Yeah, I remember that.

7:50And my mentor, Joshua Smith, was, you know,

7:54I was working with him and he knew you a

7:57little bit, so we actually got dinner.

8:02So it was me, Josh, Ludovic, and Klaus.

8:10So we all got dinner together in New

8:12Orleans and it was great. The food was

8:14amazing.

8:15And so that's when I met I met Ludovic in

8:18person then. So we've known each other for

8:20some times and we've always kind of, you

8:23know, kept in touch messages back and forth

8:25about like, hey, I just saw the thing you

8:26posted.

8:27It's awesome. And then we just kind of go

8:29back and forth.

8:31Amazing.

8:32So, yeah, that's that's kind of how we met

8:34there.

8:35Okay. And so what spawned the product idea?

8:38But like, why did you bring Ludovic into

8:41what you were thinking and Ludovic? What

8:45kind of what what time did he what made you

8:46say, yeah, this sounds like a great

8:47partnership?

8:48Yeah, so

8:52I don't know if anyone has whoever's

8:53watching this video. And I was seeing a

8:55previous video that Tim released about the

8:58Tableau UI kit, which is a product I

9:00released.

9:02I mean, that's almost that's getting close.

9:03That's over two years now. Three years. I

9:06was going to say close to three years now.

9:09And for those of you that don't know, it's

9:11a it's a Figma UI kit specifically for

9:14Tableau.

9:15It helps you prototype dashboards faster

9:18and Figma.

9:19This is a common thing that product design

9:22and design teams do to show off to people,

9:26clients, leaders, etc.

9:30And I started to get a lot of emails from

9:34people saying, hey, you know, we love the

9:38UI kit. It's really great. We can show our

9:40clients all of this stuff.

9:42How do we actually build it in Tableau?

9:47Now, normally in a design system, for those

9:49that don't know, the way design systems

9:52usually work is you have some sort of UI

9:54kit in a prototyping tool that could be Fig

9:58ma.

9:59I was going to say Adobe XD, but Adobe XD

10:02is gone.

10:04Sketch design teams have a UI kit. And then

10:07you need some way to build that thing.

10:11So. Design systems have the UI kit and then

10:15they have actual.

10:17Components in code that allows you to match

10:19it one to one, and that's what a design

10:21system is.

10:22And also, you know, more complicated ones,

10:24they give you actual recommendations about

10:27how to actually use these components.

10:30Now, previously it was just the UI kit,

10:31right? There was nothing that links.

10:36That product to Tableau, to Tableau at all.

10:39So. I knew I needed a way to release

10:43something that helped people do this better

10:46now in my head.

10:48It makes obvious sense, but also in the

10:50back of my head, I was like, oh, I don't

10:52actually use.

10:54I don't really use Tableau anymore. Like my

10:57skills are kind of less so in that area

11:01because.

11:02You know, I just haven't been using it in

11:04my head as fully in the design user

11:06interface and user experience space now.

11:09Yeah. So I knew I needed someone.

11:12To help.

11:14Make this a reality, essentially.

11:16And I thought, you know, who do I consider

11:20to be.

11:21The best Tableau developer.

11:25And I don't know if I think I've mentioned

11:26this before. Ludovic probably doesn't like

11:28that I say this.

11:29I think Ludovic is the best. So I reached

11:31out to Ludovic and I said, hey, you know, I

11:35.

11:36Want to build this thing that helps people

11:39build these dashboards from the UI kit to

11:43Tableau.

11:45And Ludovic, you were a little reluctant at

11:48first because you just kind of you just

11:50didn't want to, which is totally fair.

11:54So I kind of I think I stopped bugging you

11:56for a little bit and I like I think I just

11:58left it alone for like a while.

12:00I think maybe like almost a year even.

12:02Exactly.

12:03You envision our collaboration very early

12:06in the WIT release.

12:09And yes, and I we had back and forth at the

12:13end, I said, no, it's not a good timing for

12:17me to help you.

12:18I won't be there enough for you. Yeah.

12:20Right.

12:21At the time. Yeah. And I didn't want I didn

12:26't want it to just be.

12:28Not amazing. So I was like, I'm just not

12:30going to do it right now.

12:32I'm not not going to try and do it myself.

12:35I would rather spend my time making updates

12:39to the UI kits and make those as good as

12:41possible.

12:42And when the time comes, it'll come. And it

12:45did eventually. And then Ludovic kind of

12:47got on board and we went from there.

12:50It's incredible. I see things came through

12:52my mind.

12:53And I'll also back you up on this point

12:55about being one of the best because there's

12:58two metrics I use for that,

12:59which is when I go on tablet public and I

13:01see something awesome, who is it inspired

13:04by?

13:05And I think you have a distinct style that

13:08has spread across the community and people

13:12acknowledge that as well.

13:14It's not just that, you know, I see

13:15something. I said, I think I've seen a big

13:17deal this before.

13:18Right. It's that people reference your

13:19style specifically. And for that reason, it

13:22's it's it's a very sort of common thing.

13:25So I think you could you can you can sit

13:27behind Rob saying that.

13:29And generally, I think everyone in the

13:31comments would say the same. And the second

13:33point I had was actually super interesting.

13:36That some of the best ideas sort of take

13:37time to come to fruition. And it's it's

13:39really it's actually really good to hear

13:41that.

13:42Like you, Ludovic, you had the presence to

13:44say that if I was going to do this, I need

13:46to do it well and I don't have that time

13:47now.

13:48And Rob, you were patient. And that's that

13:50's something that's super important because

13:52I think good products sometimes require

13:54that patience.

13:54For them to sort of follow through when

13:55people do put their time together. So I

13:57think it's great to hear that because a lot

13:59of people have ideas in the community.

14:01And in the first instance, when they're not

14:02successful, they kind of feel a bit despond

14:04ent. Actually, this is a great tale of

14:07saying maybe now's not the right time.

14:09There's a better time coming up. And that's

14:11that's a fairly common theme, I would think

14:15.

14:15Yeah. Through all the stuff I've ever

14:16created, like even when I was doing tablet

14:18public stuff. Right.

14:20I only had like I think it's like eight or

14:24nine. I think it's like a very small number

14:28of tablet public stuff.

14:31But when I did it, you know, I really did

14:34and I wanted to make.

14:36I wanted to publish it up when it's super

14:39unique and interesting and worth doing so I

14:42'm OK with sitting on something for years

14:45until it's actually good and it provides

14:48tremendous value to the consumer.

14:52And that's yeah, that's what great products

14:56and great things do.

14:59Yeah. And I think the selfish question I

15:01have and this is going to be kind of me

15:03outing myself a little bit. I've really

15:06struggled to have the persistent passion

15:09with tablet.

15:11And that sounds weird because I have a

15:12YouTube channel. It's called tablet.

15:16That's pretty, pretty big following. But

15:20when I say that, that's different because I

15:22think the channel I'm teaching people

15:23tablet is very different.

15:25I have a passion for teaching when I talk

15:27about a passion for the product. I mean,

15:29there are times when I've opened the

15:31product and I felt no longer excited by it.

15:34Right. Or I've opened the products and it's

15:36just something that's off.

15:38And lately I've been saying tablet weirdly

15:39is the thing that's kept me excited about

15:41tablet because it just seemed to solve

15:43these problems I've had.

15:45So maybe this is a question for you

15:46specifically. You had a very long demonstr

15:49able history with tablet.

15:51How have you kept your kind of passion at

15:53the level that has allowed you to kind of

15:56keep thinking about tablet and sort of kept

15:58thinking about how to push it to its

16:00boundaries?

16:02Yeah. So I think I tested the tools.

16:08You tried other things.

16:13Yeah.

16:14I also did consider the thing.

16:18Yeah. I always come back to tableau because

16:22tableau allows me to get stuff I cannot do

16:24with other tools.

16:25Exactly.

16:26Yeah.

16:27So I much more freedom with tableau.

16:30And at the same time, it's also very well,

16:34it's robust.

16:36I mean, we have tableau cloud, tableau

16:38desktop, the desktop tool, tableau Mumbai,

16:41it's all sweet.

16:43Now you mentioned tableau pep.

16:46So yeah, it's, there is no, it's, I don't,

16:52to be honest, I do not have alternatives

16:55right now to tableau.

16:57And I like it. That's okay. I like to use

17:00tableau.

17:01And we mentioned that but even the same

17:05point is the, the bad points, for example,

17:09containers.

17:11I enjoy containers a lot.

17:16Yeah. So I don't know, maybe I'm different,

17:20but yeah, I always come back to tableau and

17:23I, I like to read this tableau.

17:25Interesting. Interesting. I think it's a,

17:28this point, I have a video planned about

17:31like tableau versus Power BI.

17:34And my hot take on those two products is it

17:37's not a, it's not a question about which is

17:39better.

17:40Instead, it's a question about using what

17:42you love or using what you have to use.

17:44Right. And that's not the same thing as

17:46which is the better product.

17:49In many ways, I think analytics has become

17:51a commodity space.

17:52And so you'll find the same features in

17:54both platforms a lot of the time.

17:56It's just a preference of how you like it

17:58delivered to you and sort of how it feeds

18:00up.

18:01So anyway, that's a, that's a sidetrack for

18:02another day.

18:03So let's, let's not beat around the bush.

18:06What have you built? Like, what have you

18:07brought to the community?

18:08I think in the last, was it last week or

18:10this week? I can't.

18:11It was, it was last week.

18:13Last week I thought so.

18:14Last week.

18:15What have you built? Tell the people.

18:17So the name of the product is called Table

18:19au Templates.

18:21Now, a slight origin story about where we

18:25thought we were going to be with the

18:28product and what it turned into based on

18:31tableau constraints.

18:35Right.

18:36And I'll explain some of that. So the

18:38initial plan was to do exactly what design

18:41systems do, which is you break specific

18:45parts of the user interface down and you

18:50combine all of these components together to

18:53make something.

18:55Yeah.

18:56In this case, a dashboard.

18:58Now we were originally going to do not

19:00something called Tableau templates. There's

19:03probably going to be something like Tableau

19:05components or something like that.

19:08Right.

19:09And it would actually be a workbook of

19:10individual components that you could copy

19:13and paste into a dashboard and you combine

19:15the components together to build a

19:17dashboard.

19:18Right.

19:19That quickly fell apart based on

19:22constraints. The first one being you can't

19:28copy anything if there's a sheet in it.

19:31So like if we had an information icon and

19:33you hover over it and you see stuff that

19:36has to be a sheet and you can't actually

19:39copy that component and paste it into your

19:42thing.

19:43Right.

19:44And right away, we were like, oh, this this

19:47this won't work. Like we have to do

19:49something else.

19:50Remember, you were disappointed.

19:52I was you always ask me things like that.

19:55And I said, no, don't we can do that.

19:58Are you sure?

19:59Yeah.

20:00Are you sure? No, we won't find a way.

20:02But I like the idea.

20:06You've tried it already.

20:08You've hit the wall.

20:09You had against the wall many times.

20:11Yeah.

20:12What the end result that you see?

20:15Just know that's like, oh, hundred.

20:18That's like the most amount of time I feel

20:20like anyone has ever put into language

20:24critically, critically thinking about

20:27templates and using templates at scale.

20:31Right.

20:32Like throughout an entire organization.

20:34So we went with the tablet templates thing

20:36because that's what it has to be.

20:38You have to copy the entire dashboard.

20:42You can't copy specific components.

20:44Right.

20:45We named a tablet templates just because

20:47that was.

20:48Already a mental model.

20:51That people from the community understood.

20:53Yeah, they understand what templates are.

20:57They probably understand what components

20:59are less so.

21:01So we just called it template tableau

21:03templates.

21:04Just make it super clear about what it is.

21:09Now, the actual product.

21:12Do you want me to share my screen?

21:14Yeah, go for it.

21:15Yeah, absolutely.

21:16This is the stage is yours.

21:18OK, so this is tableau templates.

21:21Now we have I'm using the tableau public

21:23version.

21:24And just a quick side note, just for if

21:27anyone at tableau is watching this.

21:30When I upload something to a server and

21:34there's two dashboard sizes that are

21:37different sizes, please do not take the

21:40largest dashboard size.

21:44From a user experience point of view, the

21:46idea of.

21:48A user saying what they want in the

21:50interface and then publishing that up to

21:52somewhere and it changes the size, I think

21:55is a little strange.

21:57I think it's always been that way, though.

21:59That's the first thing.

22:02So this is feedback.

22:04Product feedback.

22:05Yeah.

22:06So this is tableau templates.

22:09The first thing you'll see when you open it

22:11is just a welcome screen, right?

22:14It's just going to say what it is.

22:16How are these templates are different?

22:18How to use.

22:19And we have a video here that I that I

22:22created and put up on YouTube.

22:25And we have some comments on publishing to

22:26server and things like that.

22:28Now, I wanted to really make sure that

22:30there were five main points when we were

22:32talking about these templates, because.

22:35It's easy to just think about these

22:37templates in terms of what's come before,

22:39but if I'm if I if we're going to release

22:42something, it has to be unique in a way,

22:46and it has to solve problems in such a way

22:49that it almost seems inevitable that you

22:52would decide to go through with getting the

22:54product.

22:55Right.

22:56So the first thing is best in class design.

22:59Right. I mentioned this before that I think

23:01Ludovics the best.

23:02And, you know, we designed I designed all

23:04these things and using the tablet UI kit.

23:08And then it was Ludovics responsibility to

23:11match it one to one.

23:13Right. And so that actually involves down

23:16to the minuscule level of naming layers the

23:19same, which is a very tedious task that I'm

23:23sure he can.

23:25So we're confident for sure, saying these

23:27are the best designed templates out there.

23:31Number two, everything has to match the

23:34Tableau UI kit.

23:36So what the what you prototype in the UI

23:38kit you can build and you can build using

23:40these templates.

23:42Now, I'll talk about some of the things

23:44that are missing from the UI kit in here,

23:48and I'll talk about how we're going to

23:50solve some of those problems in the future

23:52in different releases.

23:54Number three is industry agnostic. Now I've

23:56noticed.

23:58Generally, when people are publishing and

24:01talking about dashboards, the very industry

24:04specific.

24:05Yeah.

24:06And I from a design perspective, I don't

24:09understand that.

24:11Because that's not really how it works.

24:14Right. When you're building something, it's

24:17just broken down components that build the

24:19whole.

24:20It's not actually like you think about the

24:22entire thing and just for a specific

24:25industry.

24:26Yeah. So we've built templates that will

24:30work for any industry and will work for

24:33anyone that's using Tableau.

24:36Right. The fourth one is there's thousands

24:38of different layout possibilities.

24:40Now, one issue I've seen with templates

24:44previously is.

24:46Tableau is not Figma, and what I mean by

24:49that is you can't simply just.

24:52Changed layouts based on a component set.

24:55Yeah.

24:56Some people that know that Figma know what

24:58I'm talking about. A lot of people don't

25:00know what I'm talking about.

25:01Just know you can't just change layouts is

25:04as easy as you potentially could.

25:07So we had to come up with a solution for

25:09this, and we went with a delete first.

25:14Mentality, a new way of thinking about

25:16creating dashboards where you actually

25:18think about deleting instead of adding and

25:21adding things in Tableau is historically

25:24difficult.

25:25Right. So, for example, if you're using a

25:27scene, if you're using containers, there's

25:30this method you see around of like adding

25:34blanks.

25:36And then adding in your sheet and then

25:38adding in the other sheet and then deleting

25:40the blank.

25:41So there's actual strategies to work around

25:44of how difficult it is to design.

25:47I was about to say, little bit. You love

25:50this.

25:53Yeah, it's it's difficult.

25:55I do this all day long. You know, I love it

25:58.

25:59Yeah, it's it's not easy. Right. So we had

26:03to think of, OK, how do we build a small

26:06amount of templates that allow you to get

26:10to thousands of layout possibilities simply

26:13by deleting?

26:14And I'll show you what that means in a

26:15little bit. And I think the fifth thing is

26:18really important that.

26:20I would say not that it never happens in

26:22the community, it's something that doesn't

26:25happen often where this kind of goes back

26:27to our conversation of how do you stick to

26:29one thing?

26:31So this this is there's going to be new

26:32updates for this. It's not just going to be

26:35what you see here is what you get.

26:37It's the same thing that happens with the

26:38tablet UI kit. This is a product. Right.

26:41So new updates will be coming in. Ludovic

26:43and I have already been thinking about.

26:46Version two and what's going to be in

26:48version two, so if you got this product,

26:50the return on investment increases with

26:53each new release.

26:55Yeah, so this is something that, you know,

26:57if you really focus on a specific product,

27:00it's it's something that, you know, that I

27:02love doing because you can actually focus

27:04on one thing and make it as good as

27:06possible.

27:07So if we jump into the next thing here, it

27:09's just licensing, just talking about what

27:11you can and can't do with it, essentially,

27:14this is very common.

27:16Third thing, we have table of contents, and

27:18we wanted a way to kind of show all the

27:20different layout, general layout

27:22possibilities that you can get.

27:24OK, yeah. So we have a basic one, which is,

27:27you know, it's a template with without

27:29sidebar or top bar and it has a slide over

27:31for filters.

27:33Each of these is a button so you can

27:36navigate to it. Second one, we have sidebar

27:39navigation horizontal, and then we have

27:40more sidebar navigation and I'll show all

27:42these in a little bit.

27:44Nice. We have sidebar filters, top bar

27:47navigation. You'll see each of these is a

27:49different button to a different theme.

27:51Right. So each of these filters has a

27:53different theme, which is which is great

27:55for people that want something a little bit

27:57different.

27:58And you can take these templates and adjust

28:02the designs to your own brand.

28:05I see. You can take it, you can put your

28:08own colors and change your line on top of

28:09it.

28:10And then and then you can change it and it

28:13's yours.

28:15And then we have some more. These are

28:17examples. I mean, these designs.

28:22You know, this is Ludovic for sure. I was

28:24about to say, yeah, this is this has Lud

28:26ovic written all over it.

28:27Like you can tell you can tell right away.

28:30Like, yeah, this last one, I mean, and this

28:33one especially really reminds me of Ludovic

28:35's design style.

28:37So you'll be getting. Yeah, I was going to

28:39say I'll say this now.

28:41You've got a history of posting snippets of

28:43these, right?

28:44So you've you post sort of little

28:46components that you kind of. Decompose and

28:49you see them on LinkedIn.

28:51You have the money to have a public profile

28:53. What this feels like is all of that has

28:56been leading to this, if that makes sense.

28:58So you've been able to bring all of those

29:00together and put it into something that is

29:02readily accessible, which is fantastic.

29:05I don't know what is a chicken and what is

29:09a egg.

29:11Yeah. I think this is all. Yeah. Yeah. Ag

29:15reed with you.

29:18And that brings up that brings up a good

29:19point, right? You just said hack. So when

29:21we're talking about this product and how it

29:25's different, we.

29:27Ludovic really and I, Ludovic and I talked

29:30a lot about what we want this to be and who

29:33does it cater to.

29:35So we really thought about how do we create

29:38something where we think it's objectively

29:42the best while simultaneously making it

29:46accessible for every Tableau user?

29:50Yeah. Now, often you'll see with products

29:52and applications as they get more

29:54complicated.

29:56So they start adding more features. You'll

29:58actually see complaints from users saying

30:00this is getting too complicated.

30:02And then a new product comes out. This is

30:04why I don't know if anyone's seen the meme

30:06of like.

30:07Notes, apps and to do apps where they make

30:09them really complicated.

30:12And the meme is just just to use the Apple

30:14notes in the Apple reminders. Yeah. It just

30:17gets more complicated and complicated.

30:19Yeah. So we wanted to make sure this was

30:21really easy to use, but it's also the best.

30:24And we did that in a few ways.

30:26Right. Number one, we wanted to make sure

30:29that these are actually yours.

30:32Right. These are your templates. You don't

30:34these aren't like sitting on a server.

30:36Correct. Outside of outside of your control

30:38.

30:39If you get this product, they're yours. You

30:41can put them on your Tableau server. You

30:43can put them in.

30:45Your file explorer. They are they're

30:48actually.

30:49Yours. So that's a big piece. So no third

30:54party applications needed.

30:57Right. You don't need stigma. You don't

30:59need PowerPoint. Now, obviously, I talked

31:02about before these.

31:04Hold basically hold hands with the Tableau

31:06UI kit. So if you have the Tableau UI kit

31:09and Tableau templates, you basically have a

31:11full Tableau design system.

31:13But if you have this, you you don't

31:15necessarily need the UI kit if you don't do

31:17prototyping. Right. It's not like you need

31:20both.

31:21So we wanted to make sure that no, if you

31:24didn't use Figma and you don't use

31:25PowerPoint, I think you can still use these

31:27templates, which is really important.

31:29I think a lot of people just use Tableau.

31:32Right. Correct. I don't necessarily use

31:34anything else.

31:35Yeah. Yeah. Another big piece is.

31:39No background images. We do not want to use

31:43background images.

31:46For a few reasons. One, by allowing

31:48background images, that automatically

31:51implies that you need another application,

31:54which we don't want to do.

31:55Correct. Yeah. This is a huge one that it's

32:00not really even a hot take, in my opinion.

32:03It's just, oh, here we go. No floating.

32:09No. Yes. So, yes, I would say no floating.

32:20Not that it's the right way to go. I think

32:23it's actually been proven over time in Web

32:27development that no floating. For those

32:31that don't know, floating is just the

32:34equivalent to absolute in coding.

32:37So CSS, there's a property called absolute,

32:40which is the equivalent to floating in

32:43Tableau.

32:45Websites, applications and the entire Web

32:49are not built on absolute slash floating.

32:53It's built on the box model.

32:56The box model. Is containers.

33:00Yes. The idea of putting boxes inside of

33:02each other, naming those boxes and having a

33:05hierarchy of boxes.

33:07Yeah. Now, the reason container is the

33:10correct path is because where the Web went,

33:13you know, like Web 2.0 or whatever, which

33:17is responsive design.

33:20Now, if you have everything floating.

33:24The possibilities for responsive design

33:26completely go out the window. You simply

33:29cannot do.

33:31Responsive design with floating.

33:35So the main reason we use containers is

33:37because we follow the box model. We follow

33:39Web standards.

33:41We want responsive dashboards in the future

33:45.

33:46And that's something that we're going to

33:48say that's something we're potentially

33:51looking at for your releases, not to wink

33:53wink.

33:54But that is something where we're totally

33:56thinking about.

33:58And the only way to achieve responsive

34:01design is with containers and having a

34:04structured way to look at the dashboard.

34:09Now.

34:11For example, I look at this, I go to go to

34:14the layout.

34:16Oh, yeah, my favorite thing.

34:19Everything. The hierarchy.

34:21Everything is hierarchy. Everything is

34:23named.

34:24I know exactly you know exactly what it is.

34:27Yeah.

34:28And this is not only good for.

34:31You know, responsive design and

34:32organization, but it's good for people that

34:35are picking up your dashboards later.

34:38They understand the way the dashboard is

34:41structured.

34:42Right. So this is this is really good in in

34:44so many ways.

34:46And I could probably go on the rest of the

34:47video about why container is is the right

34:49way to go about it.

34:51I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I couldn

34:54't agree more.

34:56And a good thing anyone can do right now,

34:58which is actually funny if if you're on

35:00YouTube right now watching this, just right

35:03click and go to inspect and just go through

35:07everything.

35:08Everything is a box inside of a box inside

35:10of a box. And that's exactly what

35:12containers.

35:13The entire Web is built on that. So and

35:16Tableau itself is actually built on that

35:19methodology. Correct.

35:21Can I go out? Can I point something out

35:22here? Yeah.

35:24Before before it leaves me, if you expand

35:26the hierarchy again, I just want to point

35:28something out.

35:29I think most people take for granted just

35:32fully expanded out.

35:34Now, I can tell you that this dashboard has

35:36had love and care put into it because I

35:39guarantee no one else can expand their

35:42hierarchy and tell you that everything that

35:45is there is actually supposed to be there.

35:48And Tableau itself hasn't added something

35:50unnecessary like.

35:52And it makes me happy to see this because I

35:53look at it and I'm like, yes, everything's

35:55a section.

35:56Everything is named. No one does that.

36:00Yes. I hate to say it also because even me

36:04at my work, if I don't use this complete, I

36:07never do that because it's just so much

36:10time to do this.

36:11Yeah. And I was so happy to do it because

36:14it had so much clarity, so much maintain

36:17ability.

36:18And it's very satisfying. Yeah. It's the

36:21literally the best hierarchy I've ever seen

36:23in my life.

36:24Like I saw it and I was like, there's not a

36:28single problem there. I love it.

36:32And I have never built a dashboard with a

36:33hierarchy that clean. So I cut off to both

36:36of you for like going down to that level of

36:39detail.

36:40It's so easy to take that for granted if

36:42you use Tableau a lot and you don't know

36:44what this is like this.

36:46This this is just amazing. And so you if

36:49you use the product, you do not have to

36:52create it.

36:53It's already there for you. And that's what

36:56it's also a beauty of it.

36:58Amazing. So it's taking off the trailer. No

37:00, that's great.

37:01Yeah. And just for reference, like major

37:04props to Ludovic for looking at the way I

37:07named my layers and just matching them one

37:10to one.

37:11And also there's a huge meme in the design

37:13community about whether you should name

37:15your layers or not in Sigma.

37:17So I named all of my layers in the tablet

37:19UI kit and they match basically essentially

37:23one to one in this in this product.

37:26So that was the big thing we want to do.

37:28Amazing. And the very last thing that I

37:31wanted to talk about was there are no hacks

37:34.

37:35There are no hacks. What we consider to be

37:37hacks in this product. So anyone at anyone

37:40at any level can use these.

37:44Now, there are things that are in the UI

37:46kit that would involve hacks. Right.

37:49So we decided to leave those out for

37:51version one.

37:53And we would have to think about how we

37:54want to integrate those into a future

37:56release, maybe calling them experimental

37:59components or things like that.

38:02So people understand that these components

38:05that are in this in a specific template are

38:08experimental and involve more more love and

38:12care, essentially.

38:14Yeah. And everything is very minimal. Right

38:16. So there's almost no calculations.

38:20We wanted to make sure it's it's very base

38:22and lightweight. A lightweight workbook is

38:25is really important. Right.

38:28So if I just hop through to these different

38:31templates we have here.

38:34So this is basic. We have the horizontal

38:37here. Right. So sidebar navigation.

38:41Vertical icon. Amazing. Filter top bar.

38:46And you probably noticed that these look

38:50weird.

38:51Right. These templates look weird and

38:53different as compared to the way you're

38:56used to seeing templates.

38:59Right. So it's because of the delete

39:01mentality. Yeah.

39:03And they're on. So the way we decided to go

39:06about component izing Tableau dashboards is

39:10by adding everything.

39:12And letting people easily delete the things

39:15that they don't want.

39:17So, for example, if you had a dashboard and

39:20you don't want internal navigation, now

39:23these are tabs.

39:24This you would use tabs if you know you

39:26have this is just secondary navigation,

39:30essentially.

39:31You can just go ahead and delete them and

39:33everything scales properly.

39:35So we really wanted to focus on letting

39:37people easily delete the things that they

39:40don't want and also scaling the things that

39:42are still there.

39:44So you can see it. When I was working with

39:45Ludovic, I said, hey, if someone deletes

39:47this, everything else has to fit perfect.

39:51Right. Like it has to collapse. Yeah. It

39:54has to collapse on itself.

39:55Yeah. And it has to just be exactly the

39:57same as it was before.

39:59You know, that component wasn't there. So

40:01you can essentially what you would do when

40:03you would copy and paste the workbook.

40:06And Ludovic will go over a demo later. You

40:08can copy and paste the workbook.

40:10You just delete the things you don't want

40:12and then you simply swap out the sheet and

40:15he'll walk you through that later.

40:18Those were all of the light templates. And

40:21we kind of categorized these into different

40:23things of a top bar is, you know, normally

40:27what you would see on a website.

40:28And they use top bars a lot. Applications

40:30use sidebar. That's a common practice in

40:36web design.

40:39So we have filters and top bar and all this

40:41. And then we get into the dark. These are

40:43dark. Oh, dark templates.

40:46And we wanted to make sure every every

40:49color, every piece of color and typography

40:51matches.

40:52So these are the same colors in the UI kit.

40:54The the white on top of the dark matches

40:58exactly these icons.

41:02Part of Tableau templates is you get I

41:05think what was the number of over twelve

41:07hundred icons? Yeah.

41:09So all you would do is you would select

41:13this.

41:15You know, you would go in, you would add a

41:17button and then all you do is choose from

41:19the different folders of icons that you

41:21have.

41:22So you have consistent icons. Yeah. Yep.

41:25And so I could quickly go through dark and

41:27feel free to ask questions throughout.

41:30I was going to say that demo you showed of

41:32collapsing containers.

41:34Yet another thing that lets me know how

41:36much love and care has gone into this,

41:38because you have to put thought into the

41:40hierarchy in order for that to work the way

41:43you expect it to work.

41:45Right. When you delete the thing that goes

41:46all the way across, everything moves up.

41:48If I was to delete a vertical column, the

41:50other two on the other side should come in.

41:53And so I think you're also using like you

41:56're literally on the bleeding edge of the

42:00features that Tableau last added to the

42:01product.

42:02Like what's now five years ago. Right. Like

42:04in terms of containers, like distribute

42:06evenly all of those sort of small things

42:09that make that possible.

42:11And you have to think that I'm hoping there

42:13's got to be something right for the layout

42:16system coming.

42:17And again, it's something just opens a bit

42:19more out because I think that's what this

42:22needs. Right. Like you shouldn't have to be

42:24like bound by what feels like a very well

42:27understood problem because now design tools

42:30everywhere use the same set of principles.

42:33So, yeah, it's a compliment and a

42:35frustration at the same time.

42:37Yeah, we we thought I thought a lot about

42:40especially when designing.

42:43Some of these templates and.

42:47I wanted to build and I wanted to build in

42:50best practices to this.

42:53Now you'll notice something. This sidebar

42:56just looks a little bit different than a

42:59lot of the sidebars you see on Tableau

43:01public.

43:02An application design, you're not combining

43:04filters and navigation into one sidebar.

43:07Yeah, that's just that's just not how how

43:10it goes. So when I'm designing these

43:12templates, I wanted to make sure.

43:15That all of the best practices are coming

43:16into play as well. So let's say, for

43:19example, you have sidebar navigation here.

43:23The next question is, OK, I want filters.

43:25Where do I put the filters? Well, the

43:27answer is not put the filters here because

43:29that's that's not really how you how you

43:30would design it.

43:32Filters could go here or you could do a pop

43:35out. So this is something where you can

43:37hide and show. Oh, nice. You can hide and

43:40show different filters.

43:42And so you'll notice through throughout

43:45based on what component is around depends

43:47on where the filters go. So so navigation,

43:51it's going to stay here. But as soon as you

43:54pop over to.

43:56Having no major navigation, the filters pop

43:59over to the left and you get an information

44:01pop out that you can do. Yes, you're not.

44:04Yes.

44:06And then, you know, let's say you have top

44:08bar where would your filters go if you have

44:11top bar? It wouldn't go to the right

44:14because there are some very unique

44:15situations where you might put it to the

44:17right, but almost no application or website

44:20puts filters to the right.

44:22Yeah, it's always left or they have it in

44:25line. So I wanted to make sure it follows

44:28the way that applications and websites are

44:32done throughout the Web.

44:34And you'll see it throughout. And

44:35everything is super intuitive. It's so good

44:38, honestly, like the amount of time wasted

44:41in in businesses asking people who, you

44:45know, understand the business are, you know

44:48, decent analytics, but are not UX designers

44:51to build dashboards.

44:53And you have to kind of moonlight in design

44:55, almost stumble into the right answer. And

44:57at the end of the day, the product you

44:59build is never going to have the same

45:01quality and the tension is and thought that

45:03you've put into this.

45:05It's just incredible. And this scales for

45:07people, right? You can take your branding,

45:09you can take your colors, you can take your

45:11principles.

45:12You put this on your server as you

45:13highlighted, and people can start from this

45:16common starting point. And there's almost

45:18no excuse to get it to get it wrong because

45:21the starting point has solved most of these

45:23problems for you.

45:25It's really good. Right. And a big thing

45:28that I wanted to focus on generally in the

45:31community.

45:33There's a lot of focus on data

45:35visualization, which makes sense, but there

45:38's no focus on the things that go around the

45:41data visualization.

45:43You'll see countless blogs and, you know,

45:46conversations with people talking about

45:49data visualization.

45:51But the user interface piece of it, I think

45:53, is not that I'm saying it's harder. It's

45:56simply not an area that.

45:59Analysts are familiar with. Yeah, I mean,

46:03they're familiar with data and building

46:05charts and stuff. They're not familiar with

46:07.

46:08Designing and building applications, and

46:10that's kind of what these are at the end of

46:12the day. These are these are just.

46:16Applications that you're trying to build

46:18for people and you have to have a good user

46:19interface around it.

46:21So we wanted to focus this product really

46:23on the user interface interface part of it.

46:26You'll notice it's not like we have.

46:29Templates for bar charts. Right. You know,

46:32I mean, there's a ton of those out there.

46:34Right. You can go out and look at, you know

46:37, different ways that people build.

46:40Bar charts, that's that's not the focus of

46:41this. It's the base, the base of a

46:44dashboard, and then you can add your charts

46:48to it.

46:49Yeah, it's incredible. So at the very end

46:52here, we have examples.

46:54Now, what I love about these examples, one,

46:56they look amazing. Ludovic props to you.

47:00Two is you can you can actually you get six

47:01of them. I mean, six is a is a good amount.

47:05Right. So you can go through all of them.

47:07Yeah. Understand.

47:09See how Ludovic did it. Yeah. Yeah. So

47:13those those are the six examples.

47:15And that's kind of what I wanted to show,

47:17just doing a product walkthrough. And I

47:19wanted to hand it over to Ludovic to do

47:22that.

47:23And he can kind of you know, he's the table

47:25au expert. So I want you know, I want him to

47:27do it.

47:28Before you do that, can you indulge me one

47:30second? Yeah. If you go to the just open a

47:33new sheet, I want to see what number it

47:37gives you.

47:39See, not that many. 81. That's incredible.

47:42I was going to say I was like, right.

47:45Ludovic must have like something like 150

47:48sheets or something. Yeah.

47:51Only 81. How have you done that? That's

47:54incredible. One.

47:56And another thing I keep saying another big

47:59thing. We wanted to make sure this was this

48:01workbook was as lightweight as possible.

48:04There you go. Because I get often what you

48:07see with template workbooks is you have to

48:11try and solve the problem of, OK, here's

48:14this.

48:14But how do you solve this? How do you solve

48:17? How do you solve the endless possibilities

48:21of the different layouts?

48:23And it's with this methodology of just

48:25deleting. You put everything in and allow

48:27users to delete the things that they don't

48:28want.

48:29So, for example, I could say I don't want

48:30you know, I don't want that container and

48:32it automatically swaps it in or out.

48:35Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that instantly

48:38allows us to create a base amount of

48:41templates that saves you room on your

48:44servers and in your file explorer or

48:45whatever.

48:46Yeah. It does. It's a really small workbook

48:49in reality. But it's incredible.

48:53A lot of thought went into keeping it that

48:55way. Our initial plans was not to have it

48:58that way.

48:59We were going to, I think, build it on the

49:01fly. My initial my initial conversation

49:05with Ludovic was let's have 5000 different,

49:12you know, templates that people can choose

49:13from.

49:14And as we started thinking about this, we

49:16were like, well, the actual user experience

49:20of something, someone using the product

49:23will go down as you increase the amount of

49:26templates because it's just overload.

49:28Right. And the workbook would take a long

49:30time to open. So we thought down to the

49:32very minuscule level of not only what's

49:34involved in the workbook, but the ways in

49:38which a person will use the workbook.

49:42So that was another big piece of it as well

49:44. That's incredible. And I like to build

49:46products I can maintain.

49:52And it's same work. Yeah. Always try to

49:55optimize at most my products. So it was

49:59important for me to do to optimize this one

50:03.

50:04That's beautiful. I honestly just I've not

50:06even I deliberately didn't look at this

50:08beforehand. I know you announced it last

50:10week and probably we're talking a bit

50:12before that, right? Because I reached out

50:14to you last year and I said, hey, I hear

50:16you're working on something cool.

50:18I want to put it on the channel. And then I

50:20completely missed the balance because you

50:22messaged me and I just don't use Twitter X

50:24now that much.

50:25And I deliberately held off looking at this

50:27because I kind of wanted to have this sort

50:29of first experience. And honestly, this is

50:32fantastic. Like, I cannot understand why

50:34people wouldn't start from here.

50:37That makes sense. Like it's so well thought

50:38through. And I have to say, people do try

50:40templates. People have tried their own

50:42templates.

50:43But I think you've you've proven just here

50:46how to go about doing that. And you've

50:49provided people that starting point and the

50:53thought that's gone into that. I don't

50:56think anyone would be able to keep up with

50:56you in terms of as you as you release more

50:57features as you do more work.

50:59And it's built beautifully as well. Like

51:01that's just so easy to take that for

51:02granted as well. So, yeah, and it's it's

51:06got the ecosystem as well.

51:08Yeah, we've got the UI kit. So it's a full

51:10it's a full experiences, which is kind of

51:13how you're supposed to build products.

51:16Right. It's not just be the actual results.

51:18Supposed to be the ways in which you use

51:20that end result as well. Yeah. So, yeah, we

51:23're really excited for people to start using

51:25this thing.

51:26And I want to kind of show the ways you

51:28would actually go about using it. So I

51:32think I'm going to hand it over. Yeah. Yeah

51:34, absolutely.

51:35Let's see. And we see this product. You can

51:38have a piece of the weekend. Yeah, that's

51:43that's a really genuine point. Yeah. That's

51:47a great point that I think that's kind of

51:50also how I sold it to you, which was.

51:53One, do you not have money in your

51:55department, potentially for extra people,

51:59and you've always been thinking about like

52:02what you know we want templates or we need

52:05to build these dashboards faster, but we

52:08don't have the time to do it.

52:11We can't get extra people, you know, budget

52:13is tight right now.

52:15And so the way I was like hey Ludovic, like

52:18, we can market it in a way that's saying

52:20you get the designs from someone that is a

52:23UX UI designer. Yeah, on my day to day job,

52:27which most teams don't have right and then

52:31you can also get the work of what I

52:34consider

52:34to be the best Tableau developer in the

52:36world. So it's that that combination of the

52:39two where you don't have to have that

52:42massive budget to do some of these things

52:45it's, it's available at your fingertips,

52:48right now, which was a selling point I

52:51think I talked

52:52a little bit about earlier. Yeah, yeah. And

52:54dare I say people can look at how you've

52:56done the workbook and learn from it. It's

52:58not just, it's not just something, it's not

53:00just a template it's actually like you can

53:03approach this from a completely different

53:05perspective

53:06and say hey, I've got my template here but

53:08now let me build on this concept, let me

53:10actually understand how it's been done, and

53:12you've got the hierarchy that spells it out

53:14like this is how you do it.

53:16This is the level of detail you've got to

53:19go to so again it's super useful. And that

53:23's, it's actually interesting you say that

53:25because that's actually in my description

53:26tag of knowledge bi.

53:28I think the last sentence is.

53:32It's around the idea of building products

53:35that add such a immense amount of value it

53:38's, it's unquestionable they should probably

53:41get them but also that helps you to

53:44completely reassess and rethink the way you

53:47do process work, because a lot of companies

53:50have been doing things the same way for a

53:52long time. And sometimes it takes something

53:56that is such at such a high level of value

53:59add that it completely changes the way you

54:02think about the way you do things in the

54:05future and that's kind of the way I look

54:08at the way I build products.

54:11Yeah. So, yeah, that kind of goes hand in

54:14hand there.

54:15Okay, over to you did vicar, so I just keep

54:18I just keep fanboying and fan going both of

54:21you.

54:22Here we go.

54:23So, okay, demo time.

54:27Let's leave some just me.

54:30So, what maybe we can do is try to reveal

54:34example five if you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

54:37yeah. So we got this.

54:40We got the API matrix at the top two charts

54:43on the left, and the 21 here. So, I have

54:47prepared, because obviously I won't have

54:51time, I did not have time to prepare this

54:53during this session so I keep already

54:56prepared the different sheets.

54:59Yes, yeah, not that much. Let's go back to

55:12the product now. So what you will do, you

55:12will look for the template, you want to use

55:12.

55:12I want to use the sidebar navigation, or

55:16with a primary color, let's copy this one,

55:22we just click on copy here. Let's go back

55:27to this one.

55:29Okay.

55:30We are on this workbook with my file sheets

55:36, I will paste

55:39template.

55:41And like you said you could have your own

55:43version of the template you built on top of

55:46templates so yeah, it can be used. Yeah.

55:50Let's hide everything, hide all sheets. So

55:53I just duplicate that you will see that my

55:56navigation are broken but it is not an

55:59issue. What I can do, I will do.

56:02I will call this one base, and I will

56:04duplicate it after because if I want to

56:08create maybe several dashboards in the same

56:11workbook I can reuse this one and copy

56:14paste.

56:18So I will need only let's say three navig

56:23ations.

56:24I don't need a secondary navigation so let

56:27's remove this one, I don't need the

56:30platform so let's remove the platform.

56:33Let's keep it simple for this one, no

56:37metadata and you said it already but you

56:41see how everything collapsed and it resides

56:47.

56:47I won't need this button, I will keep the

56:50eye filters because I will use this to hide

56:54the filters. Yeah, I will fix my buttons so

57:00maybe I can add some images.

57:04So I am in the UI kit.

57:07Icons, I am in the primary ones so I can

57:11choose the white.

57:14White icons, I will do random stuff here

57:18because I think that's exactly what I want

57:21but the edit button I will change it to use

57:25this base for example.

57:28Let's change this one to choose, let's use

57:32same random. Let's see.

57:36Nice.

57:38So fast.

57:42So there I said this also looks fun. Yeah,

57:45again, for that but we you will know what

57:49you want.

57:51Let's rename this, maybe the first one will

57:55be an overview.

57:57And here I will look at, I don't know, this

58:01performance.

58:04I don't know, do you have any details? I

58:12will change the title.

58:12So you don't need to, and it's a pain when

58:15you have to rethink about all your font

58:19size and font design.

58:23I was going to say you've got the right,

58:26you've got your H1, H2 subheading, all that

58:30stuff built through. Just bring it through

58:33web design to Tableau. Love it.

58:35Exactly. So now I have my base. Let's

58:38remove this one.

58:41Okay.

58:43Let's keep this one because maybe I want to

58:46navigate to another external website.

58:50Yeah, so you will change that and we can

58:52already maybe add an action because here

58:56you will see on this one, I could say let's

59:00, I want to use this button to go on an

59:02external website so you will add an action.

59:06Yeah, let's do it.

59:09Let's go to URL and let's enter manage.py.

59:15com, I will select my navigation one.

59:21Okay, that should be the one. It's on menu.

59:28So let's change it.

59:28Okay, same. I can change, I could change

59:31the icon here. Yeah, that's, I know I have

59:34a blank one here. I can use this one. Yeah.

59:39And now we, the most interesting part. So I

59:42could use the template to add my sheets. So

59:45I have my old sheets. Let's, you first

59:49create, oh, let's duplicate this one

59:51because I, like I said, you maybe you want

59:52to reuse it for your next one.

59:54So it's my base, let's duplicate and let's

59:58call it performance because that's my

60:02performance sheet.

60:04Okay, now let's begin, let's begin the swap

60:08.

60:09So you select the sheet you want to swap

60:12with and you just have to, you know, you

60:16have to leave selection here and basically

60:20just swap and it will add the sheet instead

60:24of the one you already have as a template.

60:28I don't need this one so I can resize a

60:32little bit, edit eight here because I

60:36designed my cap a little bit taller but

60:40that's not an issue.

60:43Let's resize and we are already tied up.

60:49Next, let's add my charts next. So I

60:52already prototyped my work on Figma so I

60:56know I would only, on your Tableau UI tips

61:01so I only need two columns.

61:04I will remove this one. I know on the

61:07second column, I only need my charts by

61:10country if I remember right. So let's

61:14remove this one and same here I will have

61:17only two charts.

61:19So let's remove this one. You already

61:23created your layout, the layout you need

61:27for the dashboard you want to design. Now

61:32you just have to start to see.

61:35So let's have the channel one here. Let's

61:40use the product chart here and let's add

61:45the country one here.

61:49So you see that we are almost done with

61:53this example, you could change the title,

61:58say for example quantity by channel. Let's

62:03copy paste this one. Let's do by product.

62:08And let's say by country. Let's edit the

62:23subtitle. I always like the subtitles even

62:24if it's redundant with for example the

62:24dashboard subtitle because you never know

62:25when someone will do a screenshot of your

62:26chart.

62:27So you keep your subtitles, your captions

62:32and your legend code.

62:35Yeah, I have a concept screenshot.

62:39Yeah, screenshots and it finished in a...

62:44Then let's add the legend.

62:48Okay, let's add it here. Let's remove the

62:52title. Let's change the sizing a little bit

62:56.

62:56Let's remove the front spot here.

62:59And actually, Ludovick, quickly about how

63:01much we thought about these templates is

63:03what he did right there. I had a question

63:06of in the UI kit, you're able to add

63:09legends and filters to the far right of the

63:11card.

63:12Yeah. But the only way for someone to do

63:14that, the easiest way possible is to add a

63:16blank in the top right of the card and then

63:19add in the legend or filter.

63:22So now people can easily just drag in their

63:25filter or their legend right to the top

63:28corner and it's super intuitive and easy to

63:31use.

63:32Yeah, I was about to say like you've done

63:34the step for them and even whatever you

63:37just did there, you could see all the

63:40containers and it just kind of highlighted

63:43the web sort of approach to this. It's

63:46crazy. Love it.

63:48And it's also nice when you add in filters,

63:49it automatically puts it into the filters.

63:52Into the filters, yeah.

63:53Yeah.

63:54Why is that? What if... How have you

63:58figured that out? Is that like a trade

64:02secret?

64:04Absolutely.

64:05So how is it that when you add a filter,

64:06they're always going into the filters frame

64:08?

64:09Yeah. And you went here a little bit, but

64:12the first time you add a filter or legend,

64:16it will go there. It's mainly because I

64:18designed my templates.

64:20If you go to the... Yeah, maybe the base

64:25one.

64:33The last time I used filters in this

64:35template, it was in this... In that

64:39position.

64:40So that's why I do.

64:41And this is why when I... Yeah.

64:45My legend, so I go here and then when I

64:47click on filters, my filters go right there

64:51until I moved my first filters here.

64:54Right, right, right. I get it. I get it.

64:57So you just have to finish the work

64:59basically if you are like me, you will only

65:03choose, most of the time, dropdowns.

65:09I think it's really quick from the base

65:13template.

65:15And basically you got your...

65:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.

65:18I think it's done.

65:19It's done.

65:20And Ludovic, you still have to... You got

65:21to have the filters.

65:23We don't need because we choose these

65:25filters.

65:27So now we got the...

65:29Yeah, the work will be... The dashboard is

65:31done.

65:32That's amazing.

65:35I think it built it faster than you could

65:37build this.

65:38Yeah, I mean, I did not feel this and I'm

65:41kind of surprised myself.

65:44I don't think you could build this

65:45dashboard from scratch yourself as fast as

65:47you've just done it.

65:49Yeah.

65:50I don't think anyone could. I don't think

65:53anyone could. So you don't just get Robert

65:54and Ludovic.

65:55You get Robert and Ludovic on steroids.

65:57Like, this is crazy.

65:59Maybe we will spend a little more time, but

66:04I don't expect you to spend like two hours

66:07to do that. It will be very fast.

66:09Yeah, you've just done it. You did it. Like

66:11, when you said you're going to do it, I was

66:14like, okay, this is a real sort of proof in

66:15the pudding.

66:16Is this going to take 15 minutes, 20

66:19minutes? I was completely off. It was like

66:22five minutes.

66:24That's incredible.

66:26I would say normally something that if you

66:29already knew exactly what you were going to

66:30do, it would take you probably like an hour

66:34.

66:35Yes.

66:36It's building in all of the years of

66:40experience of Ludovic and I to have. What's

66:46the saying where it's like, you know, if a

66:47plumber comes over, you're not really

66:48paying them for that job.

66:51Yeah, that job. It's the years of

66:53experience that goes into being able to

66:55solve that problem as quickly as possible.

66:59Correct.

67:00Right. So that's kind of the way that we

67:01think about it as well.

67:03And if you have enough experience, like for

67:06example, myself, I can see myself doing

67:09that, you know.

67:11Okay, maybe you just need to lay out the

67:13framework.

67:15Framework, yeah.

67:16You build from scratch and so you have also

67:18this possibility to build from this blank

67:20page and build your own layout if you want

67:24something more complex or you have ideas.

67:27But yeah, I got the two options.

67:33I'm blown away. I am.

67:35And you probably can't tell because I'm

67:37just sat here quietly just, you know, using

67:39it.

67:40I've also been using Tableau not for 12

67:41years, 11 years. Right.

67:43So and I think back to learning Tableau, I

67:45think back to like the challenges I've had

67:47learning Tableau and I think I always say

67:50to people, if you're learning Tableau today

67:53, it's a much bigger platform than it was 11

67:55years ago.

67:57Right. 11 years ago, you could learn every

67:59quarter of Tableau and know it inside out.

68:01That's when we learned. Right.

68:04But today, that's a completely different

68:05challenge.

68:06So this also presents an opportunity to

68:08people to to really focus in on the thing

68:10that matters.

68:12That is data analysis. Right.

68:14Like what you just did there is you deleted

68:16this necessity to become UX designers, to

68:19become designers, to to to to waste time

68:21repeating tasks.

68:24I didn't see you right click format

68:25anything. I didn't see you change the size

68:28of anything.

68:30I didn't. The only thing you edited was the

68:31height. But that was to get to your like

68:34thing.

68:35The delete mentality kind of completely

68:37pays off there.

68:38And now I get it. When you said delete, I

68:39was like, why should I just drag everything

68:41where I needed to?

68:43But of course Tableau is not predictable

68:44like that. And that's why the delete first

68:46mentality has to happen.

68:48Tableau, if you're listening, make it more

68:50predictable.

68:52You know what I mean? So, wow.

68:54And that's probably why people go to

68:55floating because floating is semi

68:56predictable. You put something then to you.

68:59It shows it to you. And the thought I had

69:01back then was who even uses responsive

69:03design.

69:04Right. Because in I'd love to know the tele

69:07metry of what percentage of dashboards

69:11employ responsive design deliberately.

69:14I don't know how you'd measure that, but

69:16yeah, it is.

69:19It is low. It has to be. Yeah. For now. It

69:22is low for now. Right.

69:25Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm not saying the

69:27exact words, but the percentage is low for

69:30now.

69:31And right. And just so people know, a lot

69:36of web frameworks are built on mobile first

69:40mentality.

69:42Correct. But I find it a bit frightening

69:45that we're building on a framework that's

69:49just floating.

69:51And there's basically no thinking about

69:56mobile or tablet.

69:59So really what you should be doing is

70:02thinking about breakpoints from this from

70:06media, this amount of pixels to this amount

70:08of pixels.

70:09It's this design. Yeah. Desktop to tablet

70:12to mobile landscape to mobile.

70:16Right. So that's something we're really

70:19going to look at because we think it's a

70:22feature that is like majorly overlooked.

70:26Yeah. I'll blow. Yeah. Mainly because it's

70:28fairly difficult. And actually the design

70:30knowledge is different from mobile.

70:34It's actually a completely different way to

70:36think about design. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah.

70:41Wow. And so, yeah, I won't try and second

70:43guess where you're going because then I'm

70:45just wish casting.

70:47And I think you've shown enough. What you

70:50show me today is kind of enough proof to

70:53know that whatever you do with mobile is

70:54going to be the right thing.

70:55Because you kind of thought about it and

70:57you thought about it for so many good ways.

71:00Yeah. It's incredible. I love it. It's

71:02really, really good.

71:04I think I wonder, do you do you see any

71:07opportunities with the noise around custom

71:12chart types and being able to augment what

71:14you're doing with that?

71:16So. In general, like I mentioned before,

71:20this is generally staying away from data

71:22visualization,

71:24and I don't think the actual things that

71:26change about the data visualization would

71:28change with the user interface.

71:31Right. Right. So I don't think, you know,

71:34the what do they call them? Vis extensions.

71:37Vis extensions. Yeah.

71:38So if anything, they become a part of this.

71:41If anything, it just it more it helps you

71:44integrate it even even more.

71:47You know, I mean, you can think about these

71:49extensions and the chart types in a

71:51different way. This is very user interface

71:54and skeleton based level thinking.

71:57And that's kind of what design systems do.

72:00It helps you think about it in the smallest

72:02.

72:03I don't know if anyone's read atomic atomic

72:05design. Yeah. But this is having atomic

72:08design mentality for sure.

72:11And we only need we only need lines and

72:17bars anyway.

72:20No, I'm kidding.

72:23Fun, fun question. Have you thought of how

72:26many possible things you could build with

72:28your kit?

72:29Because I see this delete first mentality

72:31and I'm like.

72:33But clearly there's zones for everything,

72:35so there must be some sort of crazy

72:37multiplier because you've got six different

72:40styles of sidebar.

72:42And then within those, you've got what

72:44feels like eight or nine possibilities.

72:47So there must be literally tens of

72:49thousands of possible things possible.

72:52I don't know if you thought of that. Oh, I

72:54've totally thought about that.

72:56And I have it. I have it in the marketing

72:58on the Web site. What's the number?

73:01What's the number? Oh, I don't have the

73:03exact number, but it's a lot.

73:05I think I was able to do it easier and

73:06stigma because each of the figma components

73:08, you have different variants.

73:11So you can say you can see nine times four

73:13times, 13 times, 15 times four.

73:17And you add them all together and that's

73:18how many you get. It's slightly harder in

73:21this instance.

73:23But yeah, it's thousands, thousands and

73:25thousands because there's different perm

73:27utations of if you delete one container, it

73:29's a different permutation.

73:30So there's a thousand different layouts.

73:34You need a you need a tableau public

73:35bookmarklet that like when you're on a

73:38tablet public this,

73:39it tells you how to customize your template

73:41to that layout. That'd be amazing. Yeah.

73:45That would be really cool. Yeah, I think I

73:48think just this delete first mentality is

73:53it's just a new way to think about

73:57designing things faster.

73:58It's not tableau. Yeah. And so that came

74:02from the constraints of tableau itself.

74:07Right. It's not that easy to add. So we had

74:09to think of a different way to do this and

74:12that, you know.

74:14Yeah. So we did, which is great. Amazing. I

74:17am blown away.

74:19So what are people like me going to do?

74:21What if it like leader back? You're OK

74:22because you're part of this project.

74:24I'm sitting here building dashboards. What

74:26am I going to do? I just turn into like a

74:29template master now.

74:31Sure. I. I'll tell you that question to you

74:37in jest.

74:38Of course, that's not the case. But like it

74:39's the kind of question that I get from

74:40people like with A.I. and stuff like that.

74:43So I sort of might as well pose it to you.

74:45How do you see dashboard developing

74:46changing?

74:47Because it's all like this. I would

74:50actually have Ludovic answer this question.

74:54I am. It's not my day to day job. Right.

74:58Yeah.

74:59I think it's like you. It allows you to

75:02spend more time on the user experience and

75:07to focus more on your stakeholders and,

75:10you know, be able to answer to their needs

75:13and objective without thinking too much

75:16about the ability of it.

75:19And like Robert said, it's it's also when

75:21you build this kind of product,

75:24it's also an enabler for the next one who

75:27comes after the next one to come.

75:30When I build new new experiences, when I

75:34build create new stuff.

75:38It's always a good example of what is

75:40possible to do with Tableau or in the

75:42dashboard community.

75:44I don't know. Yeah. And it allows people to

75:47to say, hey, I want this.

75:49I have an idea. I want this for my next

75:51dashboard because it will be useful for me.

75:55So we save time to answer your stakeholders

75:59needs and they will also be able to see the

76:04new opportunities for the products to come.

76:07I guess. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. You know,

76:11I think of it as in so many job posting,

76:14you see dashboard developer and maybe you

76:16'll see less than that and more of a data

76:18visualization expert or data analyst.

76:21Right. Because. Really, no one actually

76:24needs dashboard designers and developers.

76:27We actually just need people who understand

76:29the data. I think your other role is data

76:32engineering to an extent.

76:34I say that is really where the brains are

76:36needed. Right.

76:38Layout should really be a solved problem.

76:39And I think that's why I think they say

76:41good because it kind of really disrupted

76:43the way Adobe was going about things.

76:46Right. Really making things tough to use on

76:47things that were already well understood.

76:50And that's it. And yeah. Yeah. I've said

76:55before that over time, the amount of titles

77:00that keep getting added on to.

77:04Analysts is increasing by the day. Right.

77:06OK. You're an analyst.

77:08You have to understand.

77:10Data visualization. Best practices. You

77:12have to understand.

77:14And you need to know like how to do ETL. OK

77:16. But now you need to be a user interface

77:19designer.

77:21You need to understand design concepts like

77:23crap, contrast, repetition, alignment,

77:26proximity.

77:27You need to know X, Y and Z. And it's just

77:30so overwhelming for people with people can

77:34really just focus on the data and getting

77:37to actionable insights for their users.

77:40That's like the main point of this. We want

77:42analysts to focus on their users.

77:45Yeah. And so we hope we hope that this

77:48solves.

77:49A long standing problem that I've had with

77:52Tableau, which is like you just mentioned,

77:55just general layout, which is not that easy

77:59to do.

78:00And we hope this this kind of solves it.

78:03And it's just going to get better, which I

78:06love to think about in terms of products.

78:10If you ever think if you ever see someone.

78:10It's OK to have critiques for specific

78:11projects, but I like thinking about it.

78:14The reverse of this is the worst it'll ever

78:18be. Right.

78:19And the same that just applies to the Apple

78:21Vision Pro just got released. And I like

78:24saying, hey, this is the absolute worst

78:27this product is ever going to be.

78:30And you should actually be excited that it

78:32's a young world.

78:34Yeah, but that it exists and that and that

78:36it'll get better from here.

78:39Yeah. So that's I would say anyone out

78:42there, you know, give it a try, ask us

78:46questions, send us emails. Do you have any

78:49feedback? If you have any suggestions, just

78:49let us know.

78:50And we're going to be making new updates.

78:53So your feedback will directly go into this

78:55.

78:56And we just want to make it as good as

78:58possible.

78:59Amazing. Yeah, I can endorse it more if I

79:07tried. I'm going to have a go at it now.

79:10But you sort of walk me through it. Oh,

79:10yeah. Maybe maybe I'll use it as my

79:11starting point for getting back into data

79:11storytelling, because again, I've not built

79:13a dashboard for tablet public in now nearly

79:16two years.

79:18Oh, wow. It's time.

79:21And I've built like one sheet. There's an

79:23art dashboard. There's a not sort of these

79:25big efforts that people put into it. So

79:27maybe it's time. But anyway, look, I really

79:29appreciate you guys spending your time

79:31walking people through this.

79:33It's kind of hard with product launches,

79:34isn't it? Because you kind of want people

79:36to get your product in the right light. So,

79:40you know, as Robert said, if you're not

79:41sure about everything, head to their

79:43website, and I'll put a I'll put a link on

79:45screen in the description.

79:48Go check them out. And yeah, I think it's a

79:50fascinating tool. So absolutely use it.

79:54Awesome. Yeah, I really appreciate the time

79:57and, and, you know, having a son is it was

79:59fun, as always, you know, I love having

80:01this conversation.

80:03Yes, it's our second time, we should make

80:10it like a yearly thing. Let's not let it go

80:17by. Yeah, I mean, we can have a yearly

80:19conversation where we just talked about in

80:19general talk about in general. The new

80:19person every time. Yeah, yeah.

80:19Next time, you need to bring a third person

80:23in.

80:24Amazing.

80:26Thank you.