My views on Race

0:00Hello, I thought I'd do a video on the

0:13issues of race and ethnic minorities that's

0:21kind

0:21of been on convo this week but also on

0:24Friday. I really didn't have an opportunity

0:27to talk

0:27much about the issue largely because I was

0:30consulting the whole week and so I didn't

0:33get much of an opportunity to really be

0:35engaged in the discussion as it was

0:37happening but

0:38also you know a lot of people reached out

0:41to me to kind of try and scope my opinions

0:43and I didn't have time to respond to those

0:46things and so I thought I could share my

0:49views

0:49but I thought I could maybe hopefully do a

0:52bit more than that and sort of share my

0:54experiences

0:55as a black individual not just in the

0:57company I work for but also in the tableau

0:59community

1:00more broadly. Now I normally script all my

1:05videos, I do, so I've actually literally

1:08written everything I was going to say here,

1:10I literally typed the whole thing but I'm

1:11not going to actually read it, I just

1:13thought you know it's good to get your

1:15thoughts

1:15out on paper and on screen in this sense

1:19and just talk out loud essentially and I

1:22want

1:23to sort of give some context to what I'm

1:25going to talk about today. These are my

1:27opinions

1:28and some of them aren't necessarily you

1:31know correct so if you think I'm saying

1:33something

1:34that you don't necessarily agree with

1:35please engage in the discussion, let's talk

1:37about

1:38it. Secondly, I'm sort of saying what I'm

1:42saying from how I see the world and how I

1:45see things happening again in my company or

1:47outside of the company in the tableau

1:49community

1:50or the wider world and so my experience is

1:52unique to me and other people will have

1:55different

1:56experiences that they are probably one to

1:58share as well so highly encourage other

2:00people

2:00to sort of you know come up to the plate

2:03and talk about their experiences you know

2:07as they

2:07experience them or as it comes to them. Now

2:10I wanted to sort of approach this

2:14discussion

2:15from three key areas. Opportunity is the

2:18first one, context is the second one and

2:21the last

2:21one is about sort of education but it's a

2:24little bit more than that, it's about

2:27education

2:27with a view of moving closer towards sort

2:30of intellectual empathy and that's actually

2:33like sounds like I'm so far up my own ass

2:36but just bear with me and I'll explain sort

2:39of where I'm coming from. Okay so I'll

2:42start first with opportunity. Now I was

2:46born in

2:47Kenya in Nairobi so I'm actually an African

2:50and I never identify as an African. I came

2:53to this country when I was about five years

2:56old and my parents migrated here a couple

2:59of years before that and I came over a

3:02couple of years later. Now the challenge I

3:05always

3:06had is you know my parents follow the

3:08traditional sort of migrant story you know.

3:12They were

3:13born in Nairobi in Kenya, there's not many

3:16opportunities especially given sort of the

3:18context of what was happening in the

3:20country at the time and they thought well

3:22maybe there's

3:23an opportunity to move to another country

3:25where the opportunities are better for them

3:28in their professions in healthcare but also

3:32for me as a young child and so they

3:35experienced

3:36a challenge actually. I think many migrant

3:38stories experience lots of different

3:40challenges

3:40but the challenge my parents experience is

3:42that in order to come here they actually

3:44had

3:45to leave me in Kenya and so for many of my

3:48formative years you know from about three

3:51till about five my parents weren't actually

3:54there and not because they didn't want to

3:56be there or they couldn't be there. It was

3:59because they were trying to create a better

4:01opportunity for myself and themselves from

4:04a family more broadly okay. And there's

4:08actually

4:08a funny story behind that because when I

4:10actually did get the opportunity to come to

4:12the UK

4:13for the first time they had to stay here

4:15for a bit of time without me and then after

4:17a

4:17couple of years I was actually able to go

4:19over. When I actually arrived in the UK I

4:22had some British Airways flight I had an

4:24air hostess looking after me the whole way.

4:26I

4:27think I had probably the best experience I

4:28've ever had on a plane and it was actually

4:30my

4:30first ever flight as well you know in any

4:33plane and I got to the UK and my parents

4:36were

4:37waiting for me at the border and I was

4:39asked to identify them and I couldn't. The

4:43harsh

4:44reality is when you last saw your parents

4:47at three slash four and then you see them

4:49again at five and six your recollection of

4:52who they are just hadn't formed. So there

4:55was actually a bit of a hoo-ha around this

4:58and I spent several hours at the airport

5:00whilst

5:00they got their papers in order to kind of

5:03prove that I was their son and eventually

5:05we all went home. But my point here is that

5:08you know lots of migrant stories come from

5:10this issue of challenge and actually that

5:13challenge continues once they get here and

5:17it can vary some sometimes it's social

5:19challenges maybe it's cultural challenges

5:22but one of

5:23the other challenges they often talk about

5:25especially migrant parents is they'll often

5:27talk to you when you're young about the

5:30issue of race. And this issue for me

5:33personally

5:33is actually very different to I think what

5:36most people will expect. I think when you

5:38hear about racism the first thing you think

5:41of is race or race based on ethnicity or

5:44skin

5:44color. And actually in my experience it was

5:47very different and to give some back story

5:49very very briefly I came to the UK I was a

5:51couple of years behind my educational

5:54levels

5:54that I needed to be to enter the UK system

5:57and so the parents found a school but in

5:59essence

6:00they didn't feel it was good enough because

6:02I was already behind and I needed a lot of

6:04special sort of attention in that sense to

6:07catch up academically. So they took a punt

6:09and they sent me actually to private school

6:12and you know I was in a class of six or

6:14seven

6:14pretty much all the way throughout my

6:17education and long story short I was the

6:19only black

6:20kid in school like it was always the norm

6:23for me and I struggled to fit in not

6:25because

6:26not because you know the color of my skin

6:29but actually because in those environments

6:31during that time it was actually rather

6:35unusual for someone of a my skin color and

6:38be a lot

6:38of my cultural background and see of my

6:41parents sort of professional background to

6:43be putting

6:44their kid through private education. And so

6:48it was a rather sort of interesting time

6:51because

6:51I was also trying to fit in I just sort of

6:54left another country and trying to

6:56understand

6:57the British sort of cultural ways at the

7:00same time trying to sort of form a sense of

7:03identity

7:04and not really finding anywhere I could fit

7:07in and you know this became sort of a

7:10bigger

7:10and bigger challenge throughout my life

7:13basically throughout education. I pretty

7:16much carried

7:17on through private education until I

7:19finished college and actually that's where

7:21the issue

7:22really sort of run home to me because I

7:25just still couldn't fit in. You know I went

7:27from

7:27a school of you know 50 people in primary

7:30school 50 to 70 people then I left that and

7:33I became the only black kid in a school of

7:35about 800 people. So I went from one in 50

7:39to one in 800 and in my sort of story this

7:43sounds like a very privileged story I have

7:47to sort of emphasize that and I am very

7:49privileged and I'm very fortunate to have

7:51had that opportunity.

7:52My parents worked extremely hard they did

7:55you know night shifts and double shifts

7:58just

7:58to meet the you know fees to get into these

8:01private schools and you know a funny twist

8:04of this is you know you would probably say

8:06why didn't I go for a scholarship I didn't

8:08know such a thing existed. It just wasn't

8:11in our sort of discourse or sort of

8:13understanding

8:14of how these things worked and so you know

8:17my parents just worked extremely hard to

8:20sort

8:21of put me through that experience and I

8:23continued to struggle to fit in because I

8:26was going

8:27to school with people who were you know

8:29reasonably well off and very relaxed. Their

8:33parents weren't

8:33working as hard as my parents were working

8:36to put me through education and I also had

8:38this pressure because I knew my parents

8:40were working hard to put me through this

8:43process

8:43and so at the same time I didn't really fit

8:46in with the kids the kids at school and

8:49likewise

8:50whenever I networked with people from my

8:52ethnic origin or people from my sort of

8:55background

8:56I also struggled to fit in there because to

8:58them I was too posh and yet at the same

9:00time

9:01I wasn't getting A's in English at school

9:03and so I was caught in the middle of this

9:06really bizarre dilemma where I was really

9:08struggling for identity I was really

9:10struggling

9:11to understand like where do I fit in how do

9:13I do this how do I pull this off and

9:15eventually

9:15I went to university and I became one

9:17person in 12,000 students but luckily I

9:21wasn't the

9:21only black kid in school in fact at

9:24university I experienced so many other

9:27cultural backgrounds

9:29and diverse backgrounds that that's when I

9:31really started to realize that I flourished

9:32I started to realize that you know actually

9:35you know I didn't have to struggle to fit

9:38in I could just be myself and that's when

9:41things started to click I started you know

9:43taking part in lots of different sort of

9:46activities and meeting new people a funny

9:49thing in school

9:50whenever I told people I played rugby they

9:52'd always look at me like some some weirdo

9:54because

9:54they all played football that's that's just

9:56you know that's just the difference in in

9:58sort of backgrounds that we had and yet in

10:00university I could just carry on playing

10:02rugby

10:03and in fact there were many other black

10:05kids playing rugby and you know in that in

10:08that

10:09in that sort of setting and so at

10:11university that's when I finally felt that

10:14I could you

10:14know become myself and I had this sort of

10:17space to grow and become sort of a better

10:20person and to the point where that led to

10:22me being elected as a student

10:24representative

10:25and that was a really powerful moment for

10:27me because it wasn't just about being

10:30elected

10:30it was actually being something really

10:33stood out to me here I was being elected to

10:36represent

10:37other students from all walks of life not

10:40just you know students like myself but

10:43students

10:44from all walks of life studying a whole

10:46range of subject and that was the first

10:48time for

10:49me that I really realized that you know

10:51that was an achievement that was born from

10:54my hard

10:54work and my ability to represent people

10:57rather than anything that had sort of you

11:00know restricted

11:01me from going for that opportunity because

11:04of the color of my skin and so I I just I

11:06just really grew into that role and I got

11:09re-elected to a second year and then

11:11eventually

11:12I loved York so much I ended up staying

11:14there and I never really experienced any

11:17any racism

11:18really no outward racism there was always a

11:21subtle racism I have to say that even even

11:24in school there was always sort of

11:25subconscious racism for example people

11:27would always say

11:28they were surprised that someone of my skin

11:30color or background could speak English so

11:33well I always used to sort of get this

11:35perspective I got to grade five in piano

11:38and people were

11:39surprised that you know someone of my

11:41background could could play the piano and

11:43stuff like

11:43that so there was these sort of small small

11:45things and I didn't think of anything of it

11:48at the time but over time I started to

11:50realize that actually you know these are

11:52the small

11:53instances of not necessarily racism but

11:56bias that you have to stand up for and I

11:59separate

12:00those two because I think racism is

12:03something that's extremely overt as well as

12:06subtle but

12:08it's unfair to just blanket everything with

12:11the term racism because in other cases

12:13racist

12:14bias is just different from straight out in

12:16your face racism which I have experienced

12:18but I fundamentally believe they're two two

12:22different things now if I push forward I

12:25left

12:26York after about seven years there and I I

12:29basically realized when I went freelance

12:33that

12:33university had created this bubble a safety

12:35bubble almost that you know where I could

12:37be myself and then as soon as I went

12:39freelance and I was trying to put myself in

12:41front of

12:42new clients and potential clients I really

12:45struggled I realized almost very quickly

12:47that

12:47the thing I was actually fighting against

12:50wasn't so much my skill or lack of skill or

12:52lack of experience it was actually the fact

12:55that in any process where I was putting

12:58myself

12:59forward and people could see my ethnicity I

13:01wasn't getting the opportunities that I

13:03wanted so I changed my tack actually I

13:06changed my approach and I started putting

13:09myself through

13:10processes where you didn't need to sort of

13:13see my ethnicity in order to judge my

13:16skills

13:16and so I actually made a really good income

13:19off a platform called oDesk oDesk way back

13:22when in 2000 and I think it was 2000 and oh

13:25man I don't even know how long ago this was

13:28so I think seven or eight years ago oDesk

13:30was a platform a bit like Upwork today

13:32where

13:32you could essentially sell your skills and

13:35so I did like graphic design magazine

13:37design

13:38freelance there I entered competitions I

13:41actually got to the final of a BBC Radio 4

13:45digital

13:45experience competition around podcasting

13:48when it was a new and sort of amazing thing

13:51and

13:51got to the finals of that we didn't win

13:53unfortunately an agency won but as a freel

13:56ancer out there

13:57doing that thing on my own I found it

13:59incredibly incredibly rewarding to go

14:01through those processes

14:02and so I realized hey the way to succeed

14:05isn't to sort of put your ethnicity out

14:07there and

14:09you know sort of have to take on these

14:11challenges head on it's actually put your

14:13work forward

14:14first and so I started doing exactly that I

14:16talked to my friends I'd asked them if they

14:19had people that needed work and I'd get

14:20referrals through my friends that way and

14:23actually that

14:23that started to be quite a successful thing

14:25and I figured this out within the space of

14:26three months and I did that for about eight

14:30months now another thing I started doing

14:33was

14:33also just putting out my work on Twitter

14:35and reaching out to people directly rather

14:36than

14:37waiting for people to come to me I started

14:39reaching out to people and one of those

14:41people

14:41I reached out to was actually Craig Craig

14:43Bloodworth for the information lab and it

14:45was incredible because that's how I ended

14:47up doing the job I do today a job that I

14:50you

14:50know passionately love and the way that

14:52works out was I actually tweeted something

14:55about

14:55quantified self as many of you know I'm

14:58really into that and I talked about the

15:00ways of getting

15:01this data together in sort of a meaningful

15:03way and it was an idea that I had in my

15:04head

15:04for a startup and I actually asked Craig to

15:07be my mentor and Craig agreed and he's very

15:10supportive but then a couple of weeks later

15:12he just messaged me and sort of said well

15:14would you like to sort of explore this idea

15:17of working with Tableau and specifically

15:19data

15:19in Tableau and that was that was an

15:21interesting thing because I'd seen Tableau

15:23but I didn't

15:24actually know what it was at the time and

15:27so I sort of went along with it and I saw

15:29freelancing so I was still sort of

15:30passionate about being independent but I

15:32also wanted

15:33to see what this thing was and so I met

15:36Craig very briefly had a conversation and

15:39then I

15:40met Tom you know in in London we just I

15:43just went to one Alfred place which is like

15:47a co-working

15:47space we had a one-on-one conversation I

15:50brought some books about design and I was

15:52trying to

15:52persuade Tom that you know my design skills

15:54were second to none because that's that's

15:57what I had going for me my design skills

15:59were you know the strongest asset I had and

16:03Tom

16:03very politely told me that you know in

16:06analytics design is sort of second to

16:10function and he's

16:11still really encouraged by my approach and

16:14sort of suggested well okay let's speak to

16:16another colleague so I spoke to Robin I

16:18actually met Robin in Starbucks and that

16:21was an interesting

16:22experience because I borrowed a netbook

16:24from my my brother because I didn't

16:25actually have

16:26a laptop I had a desktop machine for design

16:28work but I didn't have a laptop so sat

16:30there

16:31in Starbucks on this tiny little netbook it

16:33was it was so small Tableau could barely

16:34run

16:35on it and I was showing my visualization

16:38which was absolutely awful and yeah the you

16:41know

16:41the three of them took a chance on me

16:43essentially I didn't have a CV that said

16:45anything that

16:46I could work in analytics it was very much

16:49an opportunity they gave to me and it was

16:51it was done on this basis which was quite

16:54simply listen and we can see you have the

16:56passion for data and why don't you spend a

16:58month working alongside us and let's see

17:01where

17:01you go and then three months later I was

17:03working for a client my very first client

17:06who I then

17:06worked for for a year and carried on and I

17:10have to say that process itself was was an

17:14opportunity as well because at no point did

17:16Tom look at my CV or did anyone look at my

17:19CV and say Tim doesn't have these skills

17:21what they did is they looked at my passion

17:24and

17:24so to sort of round off the point I'm

17:26making here throughout my life any time

17:29where an

17:30opportunity has been available that looks

17:33at my skill set and what I'm capable of

17:36first

17:37I've always taken it and I've always exce

17:39lled and I think that should be the context

17:42of

17:42that should be the context of I think how

17:44we start to look at solving this challenge

17:47I'd hate to I'd hate to be put in a

17:49situation where because of the color of my

17:53skin people

17:54sort of create an opportunity for me and I

17:57wouldn't want to work in a place where

18:00because

18:01of the color of my skin I had more

18:02opportunities than others because then that

18:04's just the flip

18:05side of the current situation in society

18:08right it's the same thing the other way

18:10around that's

18:11not what we want and it's not just about

18:14you know people who are black it's also

18:17about

18:18other ethnic minorities as well and so we

18:21have to strive to create opportunities

18:23where

18:24people can quite simply show what they can

18:28do and excel in that way and have chances

18:31and opportunities to do that and the

18:33narrative that you're seeing now is that

18:36you know a

18:36lot of ethnic minorities just don't get

18:38that opportunity full stop because of the

18:41presumptions

18:42or assumptions that are made wrongly about

18:44you know the ethnicity or the color of

18:46their

18:46skin and so that's sort of the first key

18:48point opportunity is such an important

18:51thing but

18:51at the same time that's all I think people

18:54really want the opportunity to be seen on

18:57the same standard as everyone else and be

19:00judged purely on merit and not not anything

19:03else okay. The next thing I wanted to touch

19:10on is context and context is hard because

19:15it's an issue of relativity you know two

19:19people stood at the same point in life will

19:23look

19:23out into the world and see different things

19:26it's just the way the world works okay and

19:29when we look at this issue of race

19:31especially in an organizational context or

19:33in the sense

19:34of the community you have to understand

19:38that it's not as simple as just sort of

19:41joining

19:41the bandwagon and just amplifying the

19:44message you have to do so in a way that's

19:46respectful

19:47of the context and I say that as someone

19:50who in real terms compared to other people

19:54in

19:54this country or in the world who've

19:57suffered from racism haven't hasn't really

19:59suffered

20:00extreme racism in that sense I've never

20:03been subject to that and so you know

20:05everything

20:05I'm talking to you about can only come from

20:08a very sort of narrow perspective and that

20:10is my perspective and the issue of context

20:14is that we you can't take racism as we see

20:17it let's say in the UK and compare it to

20:19racism as we see it in America because each

20:22society

20:23is at different levels of understanding of

20:25that issue and maturity of that issue the

20:27other thing is that you also have to take

20:29into the context the context of the world

20:31we live in today I mean notwithstanding all

20:34the issues of race around the world we are

20:37living in a pandemic here and every single

20:41day people are suffering not because of

20:45race

20:46but purely because of an unknown disease it

20:49's you know killing people indiscriminately

20:52irrespective

20:53of their race and so we are living in very

20:55sort of different times where we can't get

20:58in a room and talk to each other face to

21:00face we can't get in a room and sort of

21:02passionate

21:03discuss this and so when we talk about

21:05solving this problem we have to do it in

21:07the context

21:07of the world we live in today and in a

21:11business it's even harder because the

21:15parameters of

21:16what you can actually change is very sort

21:18of very actually narrow if you think about

21:20it not least because well if you're in

21:23consulting like myself the majority of your

21:27spine the

21:28majority of the time you spend isn't

21:29actually spent in the context of your own

21:31company you

21:32spend it with clients and when you have

21:34three or four five six seven eight clients

21:36a year

21:37those are six or seven different sort of

21:39circumstances and environments and context

21:42is that you have

21:43to sort of adjust for very very quickly and

21:45let's say you experience racism in those

21:48settings

21:49well it's even harder because you're on

21:51your own like if you don't have the

21:53professional

21:54experience and let's say someone like

21:56myself has you know seven eight years in

21:59profession

22:00you might not have the courage or

22:02confidence or even assertiveness to be able

22:04to approach

22:05the issue directly if it happens to you or

22:08if it happens to someone else and so

22:10context

22:11is extremely important in this setting

22:13because you have to you have to take that

22:15into account

22:16and also let's not also forget that in the

22:18context of businesses you know many

22:20businesses

22:21are struggling just to keep the lights on

22:23it's not it's not a it's not a simple issue

22:25where you know businesses can just can just

22:29very quickly take on this issue and so we

22:32as individuals everyone in any organization

22:35has to really step up and help our bosses

22:38help our management understand this issue

22:41because in any other situation if this was

22:43the only issue then they'd have a lot more

22:46mind share and time to sort of deal with

22:48this

22:48and so we have to be patient about this

22:51issue both as a community and as

22:53individuals in

22:54our own organizations and also in our

22:57society more broadly we can be activists

23:00today but

23:01we have to understand that the outcomes

23:03will come much much further down the line

23:05and in

23:06between now and then we have a role to play

23:08to make sure that we all get there and I

23:10think

23:11that's an important thing to sort of bear

23:13in mind the context of how we solve this

23:14issue

23:15today in a digital world changes the way we

23:17approach this it changes how difficult some

23:20discussions are and it changes how easy

23:23some steps are so we have to take advantage

23:26or

23:26you know bear in mind the difficulties that

23:28either side of that that coin sort of

23:30proposes

23:31and so I think I think that's something

23:34that we can all do to kind of think you

23:36know in

23:37the world we live in today what can I do to

23:39bring about change okay and that brings me

23:42to my final point which is the one the one

23:44way I sounded really up myself which is

23:46sort

23:47of education to help improve sort of

23:49collective empathy right and this is a

23:53tough one and

23:54I hope you may be clocked that by sharing

23:56my experience of racism right at the start

23:58and I say racism it's also bias in some

24:01cases where it's not as severe I'm trying

24:04to sort

24:04of educate people on the types of things

24:07that you know people like me might go

24:10through because

24:11it's not until you listen to several

24:13experiences like mine you can really start

24:16to understand

24:17that and the other challenge here is that

24:19it's all well and good you as an individual

24:22listening to me or listen to a podcast or

24:25reading an article about it all of that

24:27doesn't

24:28actually build towards collective empathy

24:30what builds towards collective empathy is

24:32when you then take what you've learned and

24:34you bring it back to a setting a context

24:37and

24:37we talk about it and it's really hard

24:39because talking about this is really

24:41uncomfortable

24:41in some cases right it's uncomfortable for

24:43someone who comes from that ethnic minority

24:45because you have to bring up instances that

24:47you'd rather hope to be buried in the past

24:49right and maybe you found yourself now

24:51being more assertive and able to handle

24:53them but

24:54now you have to really dig deep and sort of

24:56think back to to this sort of these pain

24:59points

24:59which your brain is naturally designed to

25:03forget and then on the flip side of that

25:06the

25:06collective sort of collective empathy only

25:09comes about when when we talk about these

25:12things we're not afraid to take on really

25:14tough subjects right some of these are tab

25:17oos

25:17we have to talk about really difficult

25:19terms we have to talk about really

25:21difficult scenarios

25:23and at the same time people are trying not

25:25to step on eggshells right I fully

25:26appreciate

25:27that I bet you in this organization or in

25:30the community in general there are people

25:33who are very careful of what they say in

25:35fact they'd rather not say anything for

25:37fear of

25:38saying the wrong thing and that's actually

25:41the worst possible scenario to be in

25:44because

25:45what that does is it brings about silence

25:47and where there is silence there is no

25:50action

25:50being taken like most racism happens behind

25:54closed doors and in those scenarios it's

25:57exactly

25:57silence that perpetuates those situations

26:00long term it's because no one says anything

26:02that those scenarios continue to happen and

26:05so as a group what we have to do is we have

26:08to be prepared to talk about uncomfortable

26:10things we have to be prepared to come

26:12together

26:12to talk about that and that's also hard

26:14given the context you know we can't come

26:16into a

26:16room and just talk to each other face to

26:19face and then lastly we have to bring that

26:21understanding

26:22back to a place where it's a collective

26:25understanding wherever setting you work in

26:27whether it's

26:28at home in your family you know with your

26:30colleagues at work or in the community each

26:33of those settings need to have a collective

26:36understanding on this particular issue so

26:38that when new people join they not only

26:41subconsciously see that understanding

26:43playing out consciously

26:45or directly but they can also easily find

26:49how to understand that perspective a simple

26:52example is when you join an organization

26:55how do you know what their view on racism

26:58is you

26:59typically go to the formal place which is

27:01the racial discrimination policy the

27:03problem

27:03is that is a policy about what happens when

27:05something goes wrong it's not a place to go

27:07and find what stance a company takes on

27:10racism in general before something has

27:13happened and

27:14so that understanding is a collective

27:16understanding that we have to build maybe

27:18it's in a group

27:19of people's head but every single time

27:21people come and go or join a community or

27:23leave a

27:24community that is slowly sort of decaying

27:27ever so slowly over time and so we have to

27:31work towards building that because it's

27:33only when we do that it's only when we do

27:35that

27:35that when racism happens behind closed

27:38doors and people actually have the

27:40confidence and

27:41assertiveness to stand up for people and

27:44the other side of that is you know me as a

27:46black

27:47person I also have to be willing to talk

27:49about things that are uncomfortable because

27:51how

27:51can I expect those who aren't who are sort

27:55of how can I expect those who have

27:58privilege

27:59to not have to worry about the things I

28:01have to worry about to stand up for me if I

28:03'm not

28:03willing to explain to them sort of the

28:05issues that I'm going through okay and so

28:08it's an

28:08uncomfortable place for everyone but we

28:11have to we have to talk about it we have to

28:13do

28:13so in a constructive way and we have to not

28:16be afraid to you know potentially say the

28:19wrong thing but know that we're in a

28:21supportive understanding community where we

28:23're all learning

28:24we always say there's never a silly

28:26question on combo right well on this matter

28:29there can't

28:30be a silly question either right we're all

28:32coming from a good place and so we have to

28:34be able to talk about it okay so that's

28:37pretty much me I don't have anything else

28:40to say

28:40I've talked for a really long time here I

28:42don't know how long I've been talking for

28:45I hope it's not too long but I think those

28:47are my thoughts so far I'd really sort of

28:50be interested to see a discussion come out

28:52of this I don't know where it will go and

28:54if you agree disagree let me know or talk

28:57more widely in the company about it but

29:01also

29:01yeah you know I'm sorry it's taken this

29:03long to get these views out because I feel

29:05like

29:06a few people did reach out to me to kind of

29:08you know say something about this and I

29:10just

29:10simply haven't had the time to say until

29:12now so yeah that's pretty much it that's me

29:15.

29:15.