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0:00Cool.

0:01Are we live?

0:03Should be.

0:05Is it live?

0:08Is it rolling?

0:10Let's see.

0:12Haven't spotted anything on your channel

0:14yet, mate.

0:14It is live.

0:16Okay.

0:18Oh, it might be because, oh, fuck, it's un

0:20listed.

0:21At AT, let me change that.

0:25Jeez.

0:27We are live. We are live.

0:30Oh, I think, fuck, don't tell me I have to

0:35change the details again.

0:40Here we go.

0:42Got it.

0:45It's not made for kids because we swear.

0:48No age restrictions.

0:51Okay, how about now?

0:57Refresh featured.

0:59Hey, look at that.

1:01All righty.

1:03Can you see us?

1:05There's a bit of a lag as well.

1:07There is a lag, of course.

1:09It's the low latency version.

1:11I don't have super streamer rights.

1:14I don't get special, special, special.

1:17But, yeah, we are live.

1:21The weird thing is I have to watch the Zoom

1:24recording.

1:24And you have to tell me.

1:26I can see, I can see, like, a panel here.

1:29God, I don't know how to show you this.

1:32I can actually just take my webcam off and

1:34show you.

1:35Hang on.

1:37I'm just going to tweet it.

1:39Oh, yeah, you can't see it.

1:41Come listen to the datum.

1:44Bash, bosh.

1:48Put it in Convo. Put it everywhere.

1:52Cool. Yeah, hang on.

1:54Let's go on Convo.

1:56I'm not going to LinkedIn it, but it's on

1:58Twitter.

1:58You can retweet it.

2:00Okay, I don't know how to do that.

2:02I've literally got 100 screens right now.

2:04Oh, you've got a phone, mate.

2:06I know, I know.

2:08I'm not that coordinated, mate.

2:12Did you tag me?

2:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:16Yeah, yeah, cool. There it is.

2:21You didn't put a link.

2:23Yeah, there's one if you follow the thread

2:24down.

2:25Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

2:28I wonder. Can you see if anyone's, like, do

2:30you just see the Zoom, or do you see if

2:31anyone's joined the live stream?

2:32I have the admin view, so I can see we have

2:33one concurrent video, which is basically

2:36you.

2:37So we should just wait.

2:41It might not be me.

2:44You've logged off now, right?

2:46I've joined it back in again.

2:48Okay, cool. It'll take a bit of time.

2:50I'm going to mute it because I keep hearing

2:52myself.

2:54Definitely do that.

2:57Okay. Oh, man, my Zoom face has gone off.

3:04Right, fine.

3:06We've got a podcast.

3:09Live. Come join.

3:12And listen if that's...

3:16Right, so what were you talking about, Tim?

3:20Good question.

3:23One second, let me be a granddad here and

3:25tweet this out. Hold on.

3:27I'm doing an episode. Cool. Retweet.

3:31Let's watch no one come to the channel.

3:32Yeah.

3:34Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Let's see what

3:37the analytics say afterwards.

3:40Right, so let's go full screen.

3:43Right, I'm fully on Zoom. No distractions.

3:46Boom. Okay.

3:49What are we recording today now?

3:52Remote work, remote work.

3:53Remote work. Okay, cool.

3:55Let me get my notes up.

3:57We don't have a shared note for this.

3:59We don't have a shared note, but I like to

4:01have notes.

4:03I like to have notes, even if we're not.

4:06This is going to be my note. Oh, look at

4:11that.

4:11You can make yourself disappear like one of

4:14those Christmas toys.

4:15Right, so remote working.

4:19So what's the what?

4:21What is remote working? I'll recap from

4:23last week, last time.

4:25Yep, someone becoming Zen master.

4:29Yeah, because I was in that part of the

4:32episode.

4:33You weren't there. Yeah, yeah. So we'll go

4:36over notes with Kent, what you did last

4:38episode and figure it out.

4:40Okay, cool. That's fine. I'll do the intro.

4:42This is which episode? S3 episode 4?

4:474, yeah. What was our first? We did two in

4:49January with Guillame, recap of 2019.

4:53Let me find out.

4:55Yeah, this is 4. This is definitely 4.

4:57Are you sure? I never know. I always get it

5:00wrong.

5:01Yeah, no, that's half the fun.

5:05Yeah, no, it's episode 5. You got it wrong.

5:08Wait, what have we done then?

5:11Oh, that's something else.

5:13Episode 1 was welcome back. 2 was data

5:16ethics. 3 was Internet of lots of things.

5:18Internet of lots of things. That's what I'm

5:20missing.

5:20And then it was Kent.

5:21And this is a bite on remote working,

5:23something like that.

5:26Yeah.

5:29Remote working. What is it? Why is it

5:34relevant?

5:38What's the so what then?

5:40Good question.

5:42Oh, it's future of work, man. Like that's

5:44huge.

5:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:46Future of work.

5:47I guess this is the inflection point that

5:50changes the world.

5:51Get rid of my chocolate thins, grab a sip

5:54of water in a second and we'll get going.

5:59Where is my water? There it is. Let me get

6:01it.

6:01Cool.

6:08All but three beers.

6:10Nice.

6:11I think people can actually say things in

6:12the comments.

6:13So if you can just type something in the

6:15comment just to let us know you're watching

6:17, that would be great.

6:20I'll type something now.

6:22Like, hey, no comment.

6:26Right. OK.

6:28All right. OK. Cool.

6:30I think I'm good to go.

6:32Nice.

6:35I check everything's recording.

6:43Great. We've got four viewers. Here we go.

6:50Datum Series 1, right?

6:52OK, cool.

6:53So Datum Pod, Twitter, Kent, follow up.

7:032020 got released.

7:05Now we don't need to talk about that.

7:08We'll touch on that very quickly.

7:09I talked about it with Kent.

7:11That was in the last episode.

7:13Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

7:14And cool.

7:15OK.

7:16Right.

7:19Cool.

7:20All right.

7:21I think I'm ready to go.

7:22When you are.

7:24Three seconds.

7:29Hello and welcome to Datum.

7:30This is episode five and season three.

7:33Ravi, how are you doing?

7:34Start again.

7:35Season three, episode five.

7:38It doesn't matter.

7:39It does.

7:40It's gone.

7:41OK, fine.

7:42All right.

7:46Hello and welcome to Datum Podcast.

7:48This is season three, episode five of the.

7:53You're throwing me off.

7:55You're throwing me off.

7:58This always happens there.

7:59I always screw it up.

8:00OK.

8:01Hello and welcome to the Datum Podcast.

8:02This is season three, episode four.

8:04Ravi, how are you doing?

8:05This episode is five.

8:09Oh, God.

8:10All right.

8:11You're doing this intro.

8:12I'm so confident.

8:13Do you know why?

8:14Because I've written four in my notes.

8:15Let me write five and then I'll get it

8:16wrong.

8:17OK.

8:18Here we go.

8:19Hello and welcome to the Datum Podcast.

8:21This is season three, episode five.

8:23Ravi, how are you doing?

8:24I'm doing well, thank you.

8:25I'm well sheltered in my abode in Chelms

8:30ford today.

8:31As I have been for the last 10 days.

8:34Given the current pandemic.

8:37I think that's influenced today's topic.

8:39We're going to have to change my audio

8:40levels there.

8:41OK.

8:42Am I a bit too loud?

8:43Yeah.

8:44You just shattered that round down the

8:44microphone.

8:45But it's fine.

8:46It's fine.

8:47You seem to be in an office.

8:48Who's that behind you?

8:49That's, oh, man.

8:50I forgot the guy's name.

8:53It's the guy from the US office.

8:56Stanley.

8:57It's Stanley from the US office.

8:59OK.

9:00Cool.

9:01So we're actually live streaming this for

9:02the first time on YouTube.

9:04We thought we'd try something different.

9:06So we're currently on Zoom, which the

9:08platform that has got probably the shares

9:10have tripled

9:11in the last two weeks at least.

9:13Well, they haven't moved from zero, which

9:15is pretty good given everything's gone down

9:17.

9:17Yeah, exactly right.

9:18They've sort of stabilized.

9:21But this is a virtual background.

9:22So I now look like I'm part of the cast of

9:24the US office.

9:25What's your background, Tim?

9:27So my background is the Datum.

9:29It's over here.

9:30It's a virtual.

9:31It's a Datum logo, but the setup is not the

9:34conventional Zoom to YouTube setup.

9:37I'm actually streaming my screen and

9:39capturing the audio input from my desktop

9:42PC.

9:43And that's what you're seeing this from.

9:45Hence, it doesn't have sort of the Zoom

9:47flourishes as it were.

9:49So it's much cleaner setup, I think.

9:50But yeah, well, good.

9:52Cool.

9:53I'm bunkered up at home.

9:54I've worked from home for like a year and a

9:56half.

9:57So I'm no strangers to this, which is great

9:59because I'm all set up already.

10:02But it's funny watching my girlfriend kind

10:05of work from home for the first time in her

10:09field of work.

10:10And every single time they get on a web

10:11call, they all basically do like a sound

10:13check for the first three minutes.

10:15That's cute.

10:16I think we'll talk about this a bit more,

10:20but we've been set up for remote work since

10:22day dot, right?

10:23Right.

10:24That's why we're so immune to it.

10:26So half my weeks are normally spent working

10:28from home anyway.

10:29So it's not it's not too different.

10:31Right.

10:32But let's recap the last episode.

10:33So last time we spoke, I was in Seattle.

10:36We had a our first analog episode.

10:39Absolutely.

10:40With the hero that is Kent Martin was very

10:41spatial to have him on.

10:43I'm going to use that again.

10:46But it was very good episode.

10:47I mean, I say very good is mainly because

10:49it was you and Kent for what?

10:51Three quarters of it because I had to duck

10:52out.

10:53Yeah.

10:54So you introduced most of the technical

10:55issues with editing that podcast.

10:57I'm sorry if you listen to it early on

10:58because there's some sort of feedback going

11:00on.

11:01But yeah.

11:02Yeah.

11:03And it was really good episode.

11:04Kent shared a lot of sort of really

11:05interesting insights about his career and

11:07how he got to tableau.

11:09I encourage everyone to have a listen again

11:10.

11:11I can't do it justice to say how good of an

11:13episode it was having him on.

11:15Agreed.

11:16It was one of my favorites, actually.

11:17And I think it was really nice for me is it

11:18's one of the first one.

11:20Well, it is the first one that I've

11:21listened to.

11:22And I have no idea what happened next.

11:24So it was a very fresh lesson for me as

11:25well.

11:26So getting slammed at the end of the

11:28episode was good fun as well.

11:31Good.

11:32Yeah.

11:33Good.

11:34There's also been, you know, a few updates

11:36out for tableau 2020.

11:38One, the beta for 2020.

11:40Two just dropped tons of features.

11:42My word.

11:43We're going to be busy.

11:44So yeah.

11:45Well, you're going to be busy because if

11:46you haven't checked out already, you've got

11:48Tim's been hammering away on his YouTube

11:50channel for the last three or four weeks.

11:51Some incredible videos and examples about

11:53the new features that not only just in 2019

11:57for the 2020.

11:59One and I assume your weekend is going to

12:00be packed.

12:01Yeah, I've got a different approach.

12:03I've got a different approach.

12:04I'm trying to guess when it will actually

12:05come out.

12:06And then I'm working backwards from that to

12:07figure out a timeline.

12:09But there's a lot of really big changes,

12:11especially things like the data model.

12:15You know, we just talked to some developers

12:17at tableau in the last week or so, and even

12:19further than that, the whole product is

12:22just just picking up pace in terms of

12:24development.

12:25So it's going to be really interesting as

12:26well.

12:27So yeah.

12:28Yeah.

12:29Look out for that.

12:30I think I have to start the videos much

12:31earlier than that because everyone's at

12:33home.

12:34Yeah.

12:35And YouTube and Netflix.

12:36And so, yeah, I think this weekend onwards,

12:38expect to see more on the channel.

12:40I think that's going to be the same for

12:40everyone.

12:41Right.

12:42And it's this really nice point for people

12:44who are doing online training or any pivot

12:47to video to start doing that.

12:49This is why, as we mentioned, Zoom is doing

12:51so well as with other video conferencing

12:53platforms.

12:54Right.

12:56I really thought that this might be the

12:57time, the first time Zoom might go down.

12:59And actually, it's proved at least as far

13:01as we're using it at the moment been

13:03resilient, right?

13:05But Discord went down.

13:07Discord went down.

13:08Did.

13:09Discord, for those of you who don't know,

13:11is a game, primarily used by gamers, but it

13:13's another collaborative platform.

13:15Yeah.

13:16And it sort of niches live talk.

13:18Right.

13:19Exactly.

13:21It's a place where, you know, gamers used

13:22to go on Skype, talk to each other, and

13:24then…

13:24Teams speak.

13:25…gamers got together exactly and built

13:26Discord.

13:27But what has got really going for it is

13:29this sort of real-time talk, really good

13:31audio quality, no friction whatsoever.

13:34You don't need to share a link or set up a

13:37meeting.

13:38You just literally hop into a room and just

13:39start talking, and that's it.

13:40Any device, anywhere, web or without web on

13:42your device just works.

13:44Really reliable.

13:45And it's free.

13:46That's the key thing.

13:47It's free.

13:48Yeah.

13:49There's a lot of flexibility there.

13:50So, yeah.

13:51And that's why it went down.

13:52Well, they doubled the resources.

13:54They didn't sort of anticipate it because

13:55it kind of caught them off guard.

13:57So now everything's back up, and it seems

13:59to be working very smoothly.

14:01So, yeah.

14:02Cool.

14:03But, yeah, today we're going to be focusing

14:05on remote working, which is obviously a

14:07very topical topic.

14:09Does that make sense?

14:10I hope so.

14:11Anyway, it's a very topical topic, and we

14:12wanted to talk about some of the aspects

14:15that we've touched on in the past to do

14:17with ways of working, how it affects

14:19analytics and the way we all work, things

14:21like cloud technology, how that all comes

14:23together to enable this, and then lastly,

14:26the future of work and how that's going to

14:29evolve long term.

14:30So I think I'll sort of kick it off by

14:32maybe sort of just touching on the

14:34obviously context at the moment around CO

14:38VID-19, coronavirus, which is the...

14:42Which one is it?

14:43COVID-19 is like the official one.

14:45Yeah.

14:46Coronavirus is like the name of the family.

14:48Umbrella, yeah.

14:49It's like an umbrella family, and this is

14:50like strain 19, and that's where it's come

14:52from.

14:53Exactly.

14:54It's a sort of weird spinoff of SARS in a

14:55way as well.

14:56I've not looked into the history of that or

14:59whatever, but it's been going on.

15:02I mean, if you look back in the way that

15:03doctors are sort of realizing in the

15:05medical industries is it's been around

15:07almost since late autumn, right?

15:10The first case that they're sort of

15:12tracking back to is late autumn where they

15:14sort of thought it was flu with different

15:17symptoms, which is where it is right now.

15:20But yeah, so COVID-19 has now been

15:23officially named a pandemic.

15:26I think most people or most companies now

15:28are recommending all people stay home.

15:31Supermarkets of the Tesco, that's very

15:33close to where I live, is a 24-hour Tesco.

15:36It's no longer 24 hours, so it's changed to

15:39being from six till 10 to help with stock

15:41turnover and things like this.

15:44Right.

15:45So a lot of things are changing in the

15:46world around us, but for the world of work,

15:49it's meant that many companies for the

15:51first time are having to look at

15:53opportunities and strategies for remote

15:55working where they might not have done

15:57before and where possible, because of

15:59course there are some jobs such as lab work

16:01which cannot be done remotely.

16:03Yeah, and things like finance industry

16:05where certain things have to be done on the

16:08floor, as it were, or if you take

16:10technology where certain work has to be

16:12done in secrecy and so therefore has to be

16:15physically in a particular place.

16:18And so I think what's really interesting is

16:20figuring out how companies do all of this.

16:23I can't count the number of times I've

16:24heard the word VPN.

16:26Tokens.

16:28Tokens, VPNs, streamings, webcams.

16:33Boy, I have so many webcams on my shelf, I

16:35'd known I'd have put them on eBay about a

16:37week ago.

16:38It's a good time.

16:39It's a very good time to sell that kind of

16:40stuff.

16:41What is it like? Monitors, keyboards and

16:43stands, they're a rare commodity alongside

16:46hand sanitizers these days.

16:48And loo roll. I don't understand the loo

16:50roll, but that's for another day.

16:52For another story.

16:53And so, yeah, no, this is really sort of

16:56kick things into focus.

16:58I think one of the key things has actually

17:00been the way in which organizations are

17:03working.

17:04So for the companies who have transitioned

17:06a lot of their sort of analytical

17:08infrastructure to the cloud, broadly

17:10speaking, have actually weathered this

17:12quite fine, right?

17:13So anyone who's running SaaS systems, you

17:15look at Salesforce, you look at elements of

17:17Tableau, those all work just fine in the

17:20setup because you don't physically need to

17:22be in a location.

17:24It's really when it comes to processes and

17:26systems, this all starts to fall down,

17:28right?

17:29Exactly.

17:30I think you mentioned it there, but it's

17:32when things are within an intranet, which

17:35is where you need a VPN or where systems

17:38are on what people call a vacuum

17:40effectively.

17:42It doesn't have access to the Internet, so

17:45you can't even set up or change something

17:48for people outside the network to actually

17:51get involved with these things.

17:53And whilst companies do do what the fire

17:57drills for this sort of scenario, I don't

18:01think, I think very few companies have

18:04thought of it at this scale.

18:06And if they have their enterprise level,

18:09who have the infrastructure and go time

18:12level to go, whereas medium sized companies

18:15who are either seasonal or very reliant on

18:19certain methods of working, they're the

18:22people who are finding it trickiest.

18:24Carphone warehouse is a great example.

18:27With Foothill Fools, which you inevitably

18:30will, they've chosen to shut down all their

18:32stores and lay so many people off because

18:35in the short term where they have small

18:38short term targets, this doesn't work.

18:41However, the things balance themselves out

18:43in different other industries.

18:45Yeah.

18:46As an economist, this is a fascinating time

18:48.

18:49Right. So it's honestly I wrote a tweet the

18:51other day about this is pure A-level

18:54economics fodder, like a 25 mark question

18:57to explain the sort of processes that would

18:59happen with this sort of shock.

19:02It's an interesting thing because it's also

19:04in many ways, there's almost two sides to

19:07this.

19:08There's can I keep my business functioning

19:10and what elements of that business can keep

19:12functioning?

19:13Even if you've got stores shut, you still

19:15can't shut everything down because the time

19:17it takes to wind everything back up will

19:20just exacerbate the issue whenever that is.

19:23And we're looking at weeks to months at the

19:24moment.

19:25So that's one thing.

19:27Then there is the organizations where their

19:29core business is process, like transport,

19:32for example, and logistics.

19:34Those things, some of that can still happen

19:36, but most of it is just...

19:38But borders are shutting now, right?

19:41Exactly.

19:42If you've got no goods coming in and out

19:44and if you've got an economy which is just

19:46in time production.

19:48Yeah.

19:49Boy, that's where the issues come in.

19:52Exactly.

19:53But in the world of analytics and tech, I

19:54think you're right.

19:56A lot of the folks that we work with, it

19:59might be simpler than other jobs.

20:03And if we focus in on that about remote

20:04working, maybe we can dig in a bit about

20:06the sort of technology that's out there

20:09right now and how things might change in

20:10the future.

20:11So we mentioned before that we've been set

20:13up for remote working from day zero.

20:16I think that's where we work at the

20:17information lab.

20:19We've always had a culture of we don't have

20:22an office.

20:24Right now we have an inverted commerce

20:26office, which is basically the data school

20:28where you can patch.

20:30But effectively we're set up for as long as

20:32you've got an internet connection and your

20:34laptop with you, you can probably do your

20:37work, client depending, right?

20:39Yeah, that's harder than you think, right?

20:41An internet connection.

20:41Agreed.

20:42And everyone's home streaming stuff. Or

20:44working, sorry.

20:46Jump the shot there a bit.

20:48Absolutely. And that's, it's a weird thing.

20:53I mean, technically speaking, if you're

20:55fully cloud set up, well, you can just spin

20:57down some servers, right?

20:59And enjoy the benefits of not having to run

21:01all that stuff unnecessarily.

21:04And the only person crying will be Amazon,

21:06but they'll be happy because they're

21:07selling Luro instead.

21:09Exactly. I think, I mean, the on-premise

21:12server is the one that's at risk the most,

21:15right?

21:16So for example, people that have been set

21:18up for having racks and things like this,

21:21if they don't have external connectivity,

21:23they will need someone on the ground to

21:24manage the load in the VMs and things like

21:28this.

21:29Especially where there's no remote access.

21:32I mean, most IT teams now do have a method

21:35of VPNing in or remoting into an

21:37environment.

21:39But I think people, a lot of companies

21:41after this, when we do move on eventually,

21:45in about a year's time, a lot of meetings

21:47will be had about how do we stop this

21:49happening and what have we learned from

21:52this process?

21:53And I think cloud will be a more viable

21:55option as you have this innovative process

21:59where people share what they're doing and

22:02it makes it more viable.

22:05Yeah. And when it comes to things like the

22:07products, I mean, just yesterday, I think I

22:09was saying to someone that people picture

22:11Tableau as a piece of software that they

22:12install on their machine.

22:14They don't think of it as a service, cloud

22:16service as it were, and they've just been

22:18acquired by probably the biggest SaaS

22:20company in the world, right?

22:23It's a website. Like Salesforce is just a

22:25website.

22:26Exactly. Exactly. And so what's been

22:28interesting is we've seen a few challenges

22:31some customers are having when employees

22:34have gone home and what they've done is

22:36they've copied data sources onto their

22:39stuff locally when they didn't need to.

22:41They just needed to have a VPN and okay, it

22:42's slower, but that's going to be fine.

22:45And what are the kind of challenges you see

22:47in that space? You know, that sort of

22:49cultural education about the way these inf

22:51rastructures work and how that actually

22:52helps towards business continuity.

22:55A lot of this comes down to trust, right? I

22:57think trust is such an important facet of

22:59remote working and, you know, speaking to

23:01friends and it's like, well, you know, we

23:04've trialled remote working with this

23:05department before,

23:07and it didn't work because their

23:09productivity dropped through the floor,

23:12right? So you just end up saying you're

23:14never working from home again.

23:16But eventually you're going to have to,

23:18people have to adapt very quickly. I

23:20remember when I first, you know, the first,

23:22I had a customer who was working in

23:24Switzerland and this is the first instance

23:26in my life that had working from home.

23:29And it's tough. I think setting yourself

23:31that routine of not working long and also

23:34not procrastinating, that's quite difficult

23:37because you think you can multitask, but

23:39when you need to knuckle down and get

23:40something done,

23:41you need that right environment and frame

23:43of mind and having that routine is so

23:45important.

23:46I think in terms of infrastructure and the

23:49way people adapt culturally, I think it

23:54will, you'll get a lot of other systems and

23:57checks and balances put in to make sure

24:00that someone isn't copying something onto a

24:02personal computer, even if it's faster.

24:05I think what ends up happening is people go

24:06home and they've got their laptop and then

24:08they've got their personal computer and

24:10they're like, well, this computer is way

24:11better.

24:12I've got two screens. I'm just going to

24:14carry on working here and have this open to

24:15chat to people.

24:17When in reality, you shouldn't be doing

24:19that because of proprietary data and

24:21security and having the right controls in

24:24place.

24:25But if you're able to do that, then that's

24:29the risk you take.

24:31Exactly. Exactly. And not to sort of, you

24:33know, make this conversation too dry and

24:35talk too much about the sort of the back

24:37end logistics of remote working, but sort

24:39of to cap this bit off.

24:41I guess in terms of interesting, I don't

24:43think security has actually come up that

24:45much at all.

24:46I think that's true. People or companies

24:49seem to have locked that down.

24:51And I think that point you mentioned

24:52earlier about trust is actually maybe pet

24:54ered.

24:55I haven't, you know, by now I would have

24:56expected something to have come out about

24:59how someone copied something onto a USB

25:01drive by mistake because they needed to

25:02work from home.

25:04VPNs seem to be more reliable.

25:07However, we're very early on, though, I

25:09think we're a lot of companies have only

25:11just decided to have the work from home

25:13policy this week.

25:15I could be jumping the gun. Yeah, I think I

25:18think we're speaking to customers today and

25:19yesterday.

25:20A lot of them have got the call. Yes. Like

25:22Monday evening to say everyone's working

25:24from home from the foreseeable.

25:26And people are, yeah, I mean, people are

25:29starting to pick up their laptops for the

25:31first time and figure out, you know, again,

25:33talking to friends who are working from

25:35home for the first time.

25:36Right. They pick up their laptops and

25:38trying to figure out all their security

25:40systems and all this to start with.

25:43I think next week or the week after you

25:44might hear the stories pop out about people

25:47doing that security issue.

25:49I think right now it's trying to figure out

25:50whether it'll work or not. That's where

25:53most companies are at.

25:55If we move the discussion on, I think the

25:56other interesting aspect is here that this

26:00is a brief glimpse into this dystopian

26:02future, right?

26:03Where everyone's utopian future. Utopian.

26:08Wow.

26:12Okay, fine. This is a brief glimpse into

26:14that utopian future. Right. And, you know,

26:17everyone I went to Tesco today, half people

26:19were wearing masks.

26:20I'm in London. So there's obviously a high

26:22number of people wearing masks. And you go

26:24to shops, there's nothing on the shelf.

26:28People are literally hoarding anything they

26:31can get their hands on. And we kind of live

26:33in this future you've seen on the sci fi

26:35films where, you know, everyone works.

26:37That element I agree is dystopian. My

26:39utopian vision is the world of work.

26:42Yeah. Utopian work, dystopian sort of

26:46living. Yeah, living right. And what I'm

26:48sort of really intrigued by is getting

26:52hands on data about this next month.

26:56You know, that transition from, you know,

26:59not really being a remote working culture,

27:02as a nation, to being having an instance

27:05where it's enforced, you get a month's

27:07worth of data to really analyse how that

27:10works.

27:11So, I mean, I think that the I want to only

27:13dig into that supermarket example a bit

27:16more because there's like, again,

27:18behavioural science wise, this is

27:20fascinating.

27:21The way people are acting in this scenario

27:24is so interesting. Because, I mean, again,

27:27I tweeted this out yesterday, I went to Tes

27:30co to buy a few things.

27:33And all of the Tesco basics rice gone.

27:36Uncle Ben's, however, fully stopped. So it

27:38's like, Uncle Ben's is a brand. So it's

27:40like the branded items still there.

27:43But the cheaper stuff that people want to

27:45sort of hold and then take two or three

27:46items themselves. That's what they're

27:49taking.

27:50So it's not a point where people are

27:51thinking, I need this. They're thinking, I

27:54might need this. So I'm going to buy a lot

27:55of it.

27:56Yeah.

27:57Which is really interesting. I think the

27:59second thing I want to talk about there is

28:02the adaptation of the way the mindset

28:06people take when thinking of things like

28:09groceries.

28:11Speaking to colleagues, they're like, well,

28:13usually I just stop by the Sainsbury's or

28:16Tesco or other shop on the way home to

28:18figure out what I want to eat tonight.

28:21And that's how it works rather than what I

28:23end up doing is I think about what I'm

28:26eating next week or week and a half and

28:28then go shopping.

28:30Yeah, exactly.

28:32So that weekly shop mindset that's slowly

28:34starting to disappear with the millennial

28:37workers who work longer hours or different

28:39hours than most traditional workers.

28:42And therefore, the only time to figure out

28:44what they're eating is on their way home

28:46because it's cheaper and the flexibility of

28:49it is better.

28:50Yeah, yeah. It's interesting, right? So

28:52much behavioural economics is going to be

28:54born from this next month or so.

28:57Agreed.

28:58I think for the first time, I've just been

29:00reading a book about misunderstanding

29:02economics.

29:03And the interesting thing is this time

29:04round, it's going to be heavily driven by

29:06data.

29:07I think economists hate the word research,

29:08right? That's what this book was saying,

29:10right?

29:11Yeah.

29:12They hate surveys and research.

29:14Because they don't trust people. We don't

29:16trust people.

29:17Right, right, right.

29:18People are irrational.

29:20And so for once you're actually going to

29:22have like a hardcore data set that you can

29:25actually use from a whole range of

29:27organisations and even just Google searches

29:30alone.

29:31It's the first time that this sort of event

29:32has occurred and you have this much data,

29:34right?

29:35You've got real time data, social media,

29:37you've got email, you've got text, you've

29:40got load put on the electrical servers, you

29:43've got, you know, the money flows are so

29:45interesting, right?

29:47You're not spending money in the pub, but

29:48you're spending money on buying that new

29:49game because you're like, well, I'm home

29:51for the rest of the two weeks.

29:53So I'm going to finally buy FIFA.

29:55Contactless is like a big thing now because

29:57no one wants to, you know, literally have

29:59cash.

30:00Exactly. I mean, I saw someone mentioning

30:02like, oh, do I need to hoard cash?

30:04I was like, but why? Like PayPal? Online?

30:08Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:09And even cafes are reverting to contactless

30:11only systems because it reduces the amount

30:14of sort of hand contact that you have.

30:17And so there if you're a card processor,

30:20just think how much additional data you're

30:21now getting when people's almost entire

30:23life is going through that system, right?

30:26And you can track that journey.

30:28So that's an interesting thing.

30:30The sad thing is I don't think much of this

30:31data will be public, right?

30:33This is going to be the data that the likes

30:35of Google and AWS and, you know, Apple and

30:39those kind of people who aggregate at such

30:41a high level that they have that power to

30:42sort of really get an insight.

30:44I think the people that will actually get

30:46access to that data from these companies

30:48will be academics.

30:50I'm not sure. I'm not sure because it's

30:52such a key competitive advantage.

30:54I mean, we sort of call foul when China

30:56have, you know, people on QR codes being

30:59tracked every single way they go.

31:02But then the exact same thing is happening,

31:04but just spread across five companies.

31:07Yeah. Right.

31:08Facebook and the government in the UK.

31:11They have no idea because technically

31:13speaking, it's not data driven.

31:15Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

31:18And so it's interesting.

31:19The exact same thing is going on.

31:20But here we are in a slightly different

31:21world where six companies get all that data

31:23and that kind of decides what goes on.

31:26So it's an interesting kind of case study,

31:28use case, whatever you want to call it.

31:31Right now we're in the middle of it.

31:33So we can't really think of it as this

31:34really cool thing yet because it's like,

31:36well, it's kind of crappy.

31:37Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

31:40Let's talk about work.

31:42So the reason I said it's a utopian future

31:45we're looking at is because all of a sudden

31:48companies that are so focused on meetings

31:51are now having hangouts where everyone's

31:54got their videos on and everyone's talking

31:56and you've got the agenda that's pre-dec

31:58ided.

31:59And stuff that would have been blocked in

32:00for two hours, you've now finished the

32:02conversation and got your answer in 15

32:04minutes.

32:05Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

32:08Like if you think that the productivity is

32:10going to fall, I think what you're going to

32:12find is once we will get into their rhythm

32:13of working from home and working remotely,

32:16that productivity is actually going to

32:18boost, be increased significantly because

32:22people find that with that, you know, it's

32:24sort of like when I was in university, I

32:26had a eureka moment of how I best study.

32:28Yeah.

32:29Which is I just locked myself down for a

32:30couple of hours at a time to get as much

32:32done as possible.

32:33And then I just, you know, I like free time

32:35to do nothing.

32:36So that's my best way of working.

32:39And I know that, you know, similarly in my

32:42world of work, I'm so heavily driven by my

32:45calendar because I'll just block time out

32:47to do certain tasks.

32:49Otherwise I'll just get distracted by

32:50supporting the rest of the company.

32:53Right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

32:55But I think that's a natural sort of

32:56progression of sort of where all this is

32:58going.

32:59I think in many ways, if you sort of fast

33:02forward the way we were working today and

33:06sort of where things are going, this is why

33:09companies like Zoom exist and Webex and Cit

33:12rix have been growing ever since they found

33:15their companies, because we've slowly been

33:18heading in this direction.

33:20What's happening is an acceleration caused

33:21by global phenomena.

33:23And the reason we're actually able to adapt

33:25to it very quickly is because the

33:27groundwork was already done.

33:30The concepts, the ways of working, you know

33:31, people have been working from home for

33:33quite some time.

33:34It's nothing new there.

33:35The data, the infrastructure, you know, if

33:38AWS didn't generally exist, that sort of

33:40whole concept of cloud computing didn't

33:41exist.

33:42We would really be stuck.

33:44We really would be stuck because you couldn

33:46't just spin up resources on demand.

33:48And, you know, people like Discord couldn't

33:49just spin up additional servers.

33:51They'd be waiting five months to buy that

33:52server and get it all in.

33:54Because they aren't being produced anymore.

33:57Right, exactly.

33:58Because of this entire supply chain shock.

34:00Exactly, exactly.

34:01And so, you know, if you've gone cloud,

34:04like the dream business in this situation

34:08is a web-only business that runs their

34:11entire infrastructure in AWS, relies on the

34:14AWS affiliate, sorry, Amazon affiliate

34:17system to sell, to ship their stock.

34:20Right?

34:21And everything is completely sort of not

34:23handled.

34:24All they do is manage accounting from free

34:25agent or something like that.

34:27Right.

34:28So all that happens right now is, well, you

34:30just spin down some servers, your stock

34:32sits in Amazon warehouses, and it just

34:34takes longer to, you know, you might have a

34:36few logistical issues with timings and

34:38stuff like that.

34:39That always happens in every business.

34:41But that is sort of the ideal business.

34:44And that is pretty much the measure of how

34:46resilient you are.

34:47If you take Netflix, for example, well, let

34:48's have a look at that model.

34:50The reason they're still running, in fact,

34:51they're going to do well is because they're

34:53all on the US.

34:54So well.

34:55Yeah.

34:56People are at home spending more time.

34:57They can, you know, the model plays itself

34:58out.

34:59I don't need to explain it.

35:00If you take another example, let's take

35:03sort of email software and stuff like that,

35:07right?

35:08Well, people need to communicate.

35:09Again, it's all online.

35:10It's very simple.

35:11The process is entirely online.

35:13You're going to get a lot more people tri

35:14aling productivity apps like Slack, like

35:16Teams, like Yammer, like Convo.

35:20And you're going to get a lot more of those

35:21trials.

35:22You're going to get people using GoToMe

35:24eting or BlueJeans or Zoom.

35:27But I think you've hit the nail on the head

35:28.

35:29I think companies that have already started

35:31to consider these productivity tools and

35:33sort of trying to think about the future of

35:35work are a lot more agile and nimble in

35:40this scenario.

35:42It's companies that aren't set up for that,

35:44that are having to have their day of

35:45reckoning where they need to figure out

35:46what they're doing.

35:47As you said, remote working is nothing new,

35:49but remote working at this scale is very

35:51new.

35:52Yeah.

35:53And the scale isn't actually the issue.

35:56It's the pace at which it's come, right?

35:59Correct.

36:00It's just been like everyone at once,

36:01straight off the bat.

36:03Like this week, like I said, the amount of

36:06home office supplies that probably have

36:07been purchased from Amazon, from Staples,

36:09from all these companies.

36:11A sad thing is a lot of it is going to end

36:12up in the tip as soon as we're all done

36:14with this.

36:15I don't feel any sense of sort of finality

36:18to this.

36:20As soon as organization can get back to the

36:21way they're doing, the way of doing things,

36:24they're just going to go right back to it.

36:26No questions asked.

36:28And I think what the only thing will change

36:30is that employees will start to realize,

36:33actually, I can do more.

36:34There is a better way of working.

36:37For some people, not everyone sort of has

36:39an environment where they can easily work

36:41from home.

36:42I think coworking space might become more

36:44popular again.

36:46They basically nearly died a death in the

36:47last few years.

36:48Look at WeWork.

36:50And now, had they been around a few weeks

36:53longer, who knows?

36:55It could have been exactly opposite

36:56scenario, right?

36:58Yeah, it's fascinating.

36:59Like I said, the future of work is really

37:00interesting, especially given that we're

37:02kind of looking at it.

37:04I think we're going to get a lot more...

37:07Everyone's going to consider that working

37:09from home space when looking at houses, for

37:13example.

37:14Yeah, exactly.

37:15I was sending a link to my girlfriend about

37:17these garden offices.

37:19They're literary companies that come in and

37:20build a shed.

37:21Build a shed in the back garden.

37:23It's basically a one person, a two person,

37:25a small business set up.

37:27And you just turn your garden into real

37:28estate, essentially.

37:30These are like mini flat plants.

37:31And you've got the commute.

37:32Yeah, the commute to your garden.

37:35Gosh, that's not a commute.

37:36But yeah, these are going to become more

37:38common ideas.

37:40The one other place that I think is really

37:42fascinating is watching everyone scramble

37:45to figure out how to collaborate in an

37:47online space.

37:48Right.

37:49And I think we touched on this a little bit

37:50with meetings.

37:51But I mean, even before this call, I

37:53started this call with you half an hour ago

37:57.

37:57Because for the first time I had to figure

37:59out the logistics of how everything comes

38:01together.

38:02Yes.

38:03And I spent 20 minutes...

38:04What was it?

38:05So the first time we had this idea was

38:07chatting yesterday on a Google Hangout.

38:11Yeah.

38:12Then we chatted today on Discord about what

38:13we're actually going to do when we record

38:15this.

38:16Then we moved to WhatsApp because you got

38:17back from walking your dog and you're like,

38:19"I'm setting this up now."

38:20Yeah.

38:21Then you sent me the Zoom link on WhatsApp

38:22to join.

38:23Yeah.

38:24And then we have the additional steps to

38:26get this on YouTube Live.

38:28Yeah.

38:29Then from Zoom, I added myself and another

38:30computer, which is what's streaming this at

38:32the moment.

38:33And it all goes on.

38:35And the interesting thing is that none of

38:37those were seamless.

38:39Right?

38:40I had to hop between a hundred things to

38:42get it to work.

38:44And I'm using some other bit of software.

38:46It's called OBS, Open Broadcast Streaming

38:48is the name of the software.

38:50It's open source.

38:51It's free.

38:52It pushes this to YouTube and that's what's

38:53hosting this.

38:54Now, there is an ability to stream right

38:55from Zoom to YouTube, but that requires a

38:57paid account, blah, blah, blah.

39:00Could have done it in Discord, but didn't

39:01want the friction of everyone having to

39:02figure out Discord for the first time.

39:05Could have done it on Twitch again, same

39:07principle.

39:08Twitch literally.

39:10I think the thing about Twitch was we weren

39:13't sure how we'd record our audio.

39:16Yeah.

39:17No, no.

39:18The issue with Twitch.

39:19You could actually push to Twitch, YouTube,

39:20anything, all on the same system I'm using

39:21now.

39:22The issue with Twitch is it penalizes you

39:24for not having had an audience for the

39:27first time.

39:28Whereas YouTube, much, much easier.

39:30I can just set it up stream.

39:32And you've got a lot of subscribers.

39:34Right.

39:35And actually streaming isn't available for

39:36everyone.

39:37I should say that YouTube limits streaming

39:39until you get to a thousand subscribers.

39:41But I only have it because I used to have

39:43YouTube from way back when.

39:46So I got grandfathered into the policy

39:48rather than having it natively.

39:50So that's why we're doing it here and not

39:51on the Datum podcast YouTube channel.

39:54We actually do have one, by the way.

39:55Yeah.

39:56So check that out.

39:58But yeah, this recording will go there and

40:00then we can host it there.

40:02It's a good point on integrations.

40:04So the reason, I mean, this is such a key

40:06object of the stuff I do with customer

40:08success,

40:09which is why do people end up using

40:10Microsoft Teams or Yammer versus Slack?

40:14And it's because they have Outlook.

40:16It's because they have Office everything.

40:18So it's easier for them to try this new

40:20collaboration platform where you're trying

40:22to stop using emails,

40:23using Teams, not using, you know, trying to

40:27bring in something external.

40:29And again, we come back to companies

40:30trusting.

40:31You're more likely to trust Microsoft than

40:33you are to trust Google or Slack, weirdly.

40:37Exactly.

40:38And I mean, you know, these things go down

40:41and even if Google does something, loses

40:44your trust,

40:45you're more likely to look at the moving

40:47average of sort of trust, right?

40:49They've only screwed up once in the last

40:50five years, so I'll let them off.

40:52But somebody screws up again and again.

40:54Like Slack changed their logo.

40:56Now they're changing their interface.

40:57It just causes this...

40:58Added threading.

40:59Yeah, exactly.

41:00It just causes this friction that people

41:02just start to get fatigued by.

41:04And then that ends up becoming sort of the

41:06narrative.

41:07Facebook, right?

41:08Facebook for work used to be a thing.

41:09I don't think that's...

41:10MySpace, the exact same depth, right?

41:12Yeah.

41:13I mean, Facebook for work used to have that

41:14as a platform.

41:15A couple of companies I know use that.

41:19It just, whenever you say Facebook for work

41:21, it just comes with a stigma, right?

41:24Exactly.

41:25Because what happens, you're more likely,

41:26when you say Facebook and work,

41:28you're more likely to think about people

41:29who are using Facebook for work when they

41:31should be working.

41:32Yeah.

41:33Exactly.

41:35How do you see this shaking out then?

41:37Let's go on to the now world.

41:39How do you see this shaking out in the long

41:41-term world of work?

41:43Well, I still think we're going to spend

41:44two, three months things figuring out.

41:47I think companies who run this kind of

41:49software, for the first time,

41:51are actually going to understand how these

41:53systems don't work for them, right?

41:55Because you build all these features with

41:56an idea of how they should be used.

41:58Even Zoom, it just recreated a bunch of

42:00stuff that we had in Citrix and Webinar.

42:04But real-time transcriptions are something

42:05that we saw on Google the other day, right?

42:08That was mind-breaking, right?

42:10Just having that work and go to different

42:12languages,

42:13then suddenly people can talk in different

42:14languages to each other.

42:16That would be amazing.

42:18So I think we're still in this scientific

42:21phase where we're still just figuring out

42:23where the creases are,

42:25how to iron those out.

42:27And I only think that two, three years down

42:29the line will you actually get valuable

42:32feedback

42:32that actually pushes us forward.

42:34Do you know what's going to be really funny

42:34?

42:35I think by the time they figure it out,

42:37they're still blown over and everyone just

42:39goes back to work anyway.

42:41Yeah, I think so. I think so.

42:43But I think every company will now have a

42:45risk mitigation policy, right?

42:47Correct.

42:48It'll be called the viral risk mitigation

42:50policy or something, whereby if corona

42:52happens again,

42:53it'll literally be titled after COVID-19.

42:56Like what's your COVID-19 strategy or

42:57something like that?

42:58What's your COVID policy?

43:00Exactly.

43:02And it will have sort of capabilities for

43:05things like this.

43:07People will have rolling contracts with

43:09Zoom just to be able to go in.

43:11And actually there's elements of this which

43:13can be taken into the office,

43:15especially in companies where office space

43:18is really, really tight meeting space.

43:21It sounds weird, but I could see elements

43:23of remote working making it into the office

43:26seamlessly.

43:28The stuff like Slack and Teams is already

43:30there, but other aspects like Zoom, for

43:33example.

43:34As the technology gets better, it's going

43:36to actually add elements of which you can

43:38augment this sort of interaction in a much

43:40better way.

43:41Yeah, I mean, all of our data school

43:43consultants, all their teaching is now in

43:46the browser.

43:47I think you're going to see that disruption

43:48happen in education as well.

43:50More likely you can have Harvard professors

43:53doing MOOCs.

43:55I think MOOCs are a big thing about like

43:57when I was in uni, like 2012, 13, everyone

44:01was going on about like how MOOCs are going

44:03to change the world.

44:04Yeah, massive online learning environments,

44:05right?

44:06However, the second thing I think is going

44:08to happen is education is going to get

44:10disrupted in a way.

44:11Because right now you've got kids at home

44:13and their parents are trying to encourage

44:15them to learn independently.

44:17So you're almost going to get this always

44:19forced-hand principle where the classroom

44:22sort of pivots into trying to give kids the

44:25love of learning.

44:27I think that's the thing that's missing,

44:31right?

44:32So the structured education system is great

44:34. It's worked for so long.

44:37But if you've given kids the opportunities

44:39to choose from these sets of resources what

44:42you want to learn and find out those

44:44curious points.

44:46And then they're structured paths for you

44:48to follow from there.

44:50I mean, think about like the way you

44:51learned HTML, for example, that was very

44:53much self-directed.

44:55Yeah.

44:56I'd love to sort of, if I could, I'd love

44:59to go into Udemy and see, okay, what are

45:02people learning now?

45:04Because it's very, this is a really sort of

45:06big time of fear, unfortunately, for some

45:08organizations who can't keep their staff.

45:12This is very much a wake-up call to

45:14employees, right?

45:16And so I watched this guy called Ryan Cron

45:18enberg, I think, a Cloud guru.

45:21Yeah.

45:22He teaches AWS.

45:23And he started learning AWS. He was a

45:25lawyer.

45:25And he started learning AWS because

45:26suddenly there was no need for his services

45:29as a lawyer because of the immigration

45:31policy between Australia and the UK.

45:33Oh, the credit crunch caused this.

45:35Okay.

45:36And so he just went and learned

45:37infrastructure, technology infrastructure.

45:39He started with Microsoft and ended up with

45:41Amazon.

45:42Right now, the exact same thing is going on

45:43, right?

45:44Some sort of global change.

45:46Shock, yeah.

45:47And I'd love if Udemy had a list of, okay,

45:49what are people flooding to now?

45:52Like, what are the things?

45:53Are they all going into technology-based

45:56things?

45:57Are they into data science?

45:58Is Python still hot?

45:59Yeah.

46:00Or actually, are we too much in this?

46:02And actually, they're moving more towards

46:04things like the arts and the humanities.

46:06Things that can actually thrive in a

46:09digital space because even internally, we

46:13've seen, what is it, the virtual yoga

46:16session.

46:17It's like the biggest turnout for that I've

46:18ever seen.

46:19Yeah, yeah.

46:20Bigger than the actual yoga session itself.

46:23Yeah, exactly.

46:24Forty people signed up to remote yoga

46:26session.

46:27It's amazing.

46:28Peloton are about to clean up.

46:33The amount of times I've seen people say, "

46:34Oh, may as well just get Peloton because I

46:36can't go to spit."

46:37Yeah.

46:38Yeah, this is exactly what, this is the

46:40exact use case Peloton was created itself

46:42for.

46:43Yeah.

46:44And it's funny because you wouldn't have

46:46thought that would be the case.

46:48In a world where you thought, "Oh, people

46:49can't get out," you would never have said,

46:51"Oh, gym classes are going to go down," or,

46:53"Yoga instructors are going to get more

46:56sort of interest."

46:58But actually, people kind of focus on their

47:00health.

47:01It realigns.

47:02Their health, yeah.

47:03People focus on themselves.

47:04They focus on their priorities.

47:05It actually realigns people's, what do you

47:08call it?

47:09Priorities.

47:10Priorities in a way.

47:11Priorities and circumstances in a way that

47:12actually suits them.

47:14Agreed.

47:15And this is kind of an interesting side

47:16effect.

47:17This is the big thing.

47:18The amount of conversation I saw is like, "

47:20Well, we're all going to stay at home for

47:21the next few weeks.

47:23What are you reading?

47:24What are you going to learn?

47:25What are you going to do with your time?

47:26Are you just going to binge watch the West

47:28Wing like I am?

47:29Or are you going to go off and build new

47:31content and learn new things?"

47:33Right.

47:36What are you doing?

47:37What are you doing in this time?

47:38Straight back in me.

47:41Right.

47:42Yeah.

47:43I mean, I am binging.

47:44I've never watched the West Wing, so that

47:46is my current show that I'm watching in the

47:48evenings.

47:48Very jealous.

47:49I tell you what.

47:50Have you watched Westworld?

47:52I've started watching Westworld.

47:54Now, that is a show.

47:55That is a show.

47:56The final season as well just started now

47:58in the States.

47:59I think it's also in the UK at the same

48:00time.

48:01Yeah.

48:02I think it's week by week though, so I'm

48:03going to wait 10 weeks, then watch them all

48:05one-in-one go.

48:06But more educationally, I bought a Kindle.

48:10I should read it right here.

48:12You're going to read more.

48:13Cool.

48:14Exactly.

48:15I mean, I bought a Kindle about a year ago,

48:16or got a Kindle about a year ago.

48:18I've had books, and it's been great on

48:19travel.

48:20For example, I've done a lot of travelings

48:22in the last couple of months, and it's been

48:25amazing.

48:25It's been like, "If I want to do something,

48:27I'll just read for a couple of hours."

48:29Because it's lightweight and has many books

48:30on there, it's actually got me reading

48:32again.

48:33But surrounded by screens from, what, 8 o'

48:35clock till -- I mean, last night was till

48:37half-eight

48:38or nine-ish, right?

48:39I'm sorry my screen's for that long.

48:41A Kindle is a lot lighter on the eyes, and

48:43I think it's also nice to stay away from

48:44things like news.

48:47Beyond that, I think I'm learning a bit of

48:48Salesforce and going back to the mountain

48:52of Udemy courses I purchased.

48:54And so currently I'm going through

48:56statistics.

48:57Because, yeah, I realized --

48:59Udemy courses is the only other thing that

49:00I think I hold by alongside Luro.

49:06Because when there's a sale, and you need

49:08to -- you just look at the Python courses,

49:10and you just think,

49:11"Well, if I ever need this, I might as well

49:13."

49:14It's only 10 quid or $10 or whatever it is.

49:16It's $9.99.

49:18Exactly. I did the same with AWS.

49:20I looked at the whole A Cloud Garage

49:21library, and I just thought, "You know what

49:23?

49:24At $10 put apart, this is invaluable.

49:28Why wouldn't you buy this for yourself?"

49:30Because it went and bought the whole lot.

49:32I'm actually -- in response to what you're

49:35saying about what you're up to, I've

49:38actually got an exam.

49:40I got an exam, an AWS exam.

49:44I've been putting it off for a while, to be

49:45fair.

49:46I've been really busy.

49:47Like all exams, you've just got to avoid

49:48putting them off and just basically do them

49:51, whether you like it or not.

49:52I think that's in two weeks.

49:54It might actually get canceled.

49:55Pearson V, who are holding the test,

49:56canceled all the exams in the States.

49:59All the test centers are closed.

50:01UK ones are still open.

50:02Can you not do remote?

50:03Is that not a remote exam you can do?

50:04You can't do this one remote, unfortunately

50:05.

50:06They should make it remote because it's

50:07done in virtually the same conditions as a

50:09cloud practitioner.

50:10But that is remote.

50:13So if you're thinking of getting into AWS,

50:16cloud practitioner exam is pretty much 30,

50:1940% of the way there to solution architect.

50:23Get on that.

50:24It's a really good course to sort of

50:25understand and do.

50:27So yeah, AWS in two weeks.

50:29See how it goes.

50:31I've got a lot of time now.

50:32So I'm going to try and make use of it.

50:35Exactly.

50:37Excellent.

50:38Cool.

50:39I think that's a pod.

50:40Good.

50:41So I'm looking at our streaming metrics

50:42here.

50:43I've got this lovely screen that tells me

50:44what's going on on my iPad.

50:46I also pulled out one of these like stream

50:48er lights.

50:49That's why I've got like a nice glare.

50:51I come from the table.

50:53Average watch time during this episode was

50:54eight minutes 56.

50:56Fair enough.

50:57So I think this basically means there's one

50:59person who watched the entire thing.

51:01Because.

51:02Everyone else has been dipping in and out.

51:03Dipping in and out.

51:04Because we've had over the total, how many

51:07do we have?

51:08We've had 14 playbacks.

51:10So 14 individuals have watched this live

51:13with us.

51:14It was pretty cool.

51:15Excellent.

51:16We have three viewers currently.

51:18I think that's probably you.

51:19Which one is me?

51:20Yeah, exactly.

51:21One is me.

51:22And I don't think I count.

51:23Maybe the other one is me.

51:25And maybe the last one is Corey if he's

51:26still online.

51:27Corey dropped us a note in the comments

51:29there.

51:30Cool.

51:31He noticed your background.

51:35It's a novelty background.

51:37It's very good.

51:38Good.

51:39Excellent.

51:40Okay.

51:41As we said, always, always love feedback on

51:43the pod.

51:44I mean, this is going to be one that you

51:45can actually watch on YouTube if you want

51:47to watch

51:47us back, including the first 15 minutes of

51:49Tim's Scrobbling.

51:50Please don't.

51:51Please don't do that.

51:52It's awful.

51:53But thank you all for listening again.

51:56Feedback always welcome at datampod on

51:58Twitter.

51:59You can also email us at datampodcast@gmail

52:02.com.

52:03Sorry, [email protected].

52:05But yeah, until next time, everyone take

52:08care, and we'll speak to you soon.

52:12Cool.

52:13I love how you took the out tray out of my

52:17hand.

52:18Yeah.

52:19Because you knew I was going to mess it up.

52:20Yeah, of course.

52:21Wowzers.

52:22Okay.

52:23I think that's, that's, did I press record?

52:27I think I did.

52:28Well, at least we've got the YouTube.

52:31We've got some YouTube.

52:32Or maybe it's not, that's why no one's been

52:34watching it.

52:35Well, let's see four people watching now.

52:3822 unique viewers.

52:4022 unique viewers.

52:41It's not bad.

52:43I'll take that.

52:44I told you, I told you this actually.

52:45I told you we'd get 20 in total in about

52:47four.

52:48You said, you said, you said, okay, fine,

52:49fine, fine.

52:50I said, I said, I said max 10.

52:53Yeah.

52:54Total though, or just individually.

52:56I said max 10 total.

52:58Okay.

52:59Yeah.

53:0023.

53:01Okay.

53:03Um, we're gonna, I'm gonna somehow figure

53:05out how to stop the stream.

53:08I want to do it in a graceful way.

53:09So the last thing that happens is the

53:11stream ends.

53:12So you get to see the wind down process.

53:15So, um, I'm gonna leave the meeting.

53:18I'm going to leave the meeting as the

53:20streaming machine.

53:22So here we go.

53:23Step one.

53:24I'm going to leave the meeting as the

53:28streaming machine.

53:31Okay.

53:38Okay.

54:06Okay.

54:51Thank you.